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#118185 - 06/02/05 10:13 AM Best way to change voices fast
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
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Loc: Louisiana, USA
This is psr2000. What is the best way to change RH voices while playing? This is coming up quite often where I'll want to switch from piano to electric guitar or whatever but I haven't figured out a way to do it fast. One can be Main and one can be Layer but I have to press Main off and Layer on if I do that? Am I missing something with that?

I thought I could load the right guitar under the Guitar voice button but if I do that, no, it pulls up the first guitar in the group if I press guitar (with Main... piano... playing).
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#118186 - 06/02/05 11:14 AM Re: Best way to change voices fast
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Registered: 06/09/02
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Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Hello

The following is a system that I created when I had the PSR2000. I am still using the same system today on my Tyros for an anniversary for a couple that I performed for their wedding 5 years ago.

These voices have been downloaded by about 18,000 people over on Joe Waters' psrtutorial.com I never suspected that many people would be interested in this. See if it is a system that you like for yourself.

I think these articles and ideas will get you going in the direction you want to go in, faster than any other way that I could think of.
http://www.psrtutorial.com/Files/OFvoice.html
http://scottlmusic.com/Misc.html

Enjoy

Scott Langholff

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#118187 - 06/02/05 11:23 AM Re: Best way to change voices fast
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BTW, in case anyone else is interested. These voices will load into similar PSR, Tyros and I suppose Clavinova's.

Not all sounds will transfer sounding properly, but you can easily keep the ones that sound good and substitute your own favorite sounds from your particular keyboard.


One last thought on this. I created this so I could have the quickest and easiest method of changing voices on the fly possible. I tried not to limit myself to just a few sounds that easily can get old.

Each page is really 10 settings for different popular band types. So, you will be able to easily pick from the 10 voices on one page and not have to go to another page unless you want to in any given song.


[This message has been edited by Scott Langholff (edited 06-02-2005).]

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#118188 - 06/02/05 01:47 PM Re: Best way to change voices fast
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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That't pretty cool what you've done, Scott.

What I'd like to know is how I can push ONE button and trigger the next voice I want. With or without your system. I find it difficult/impossible to press more than one button on the fly with many songs. My right hand is always being used. Right up to the point I am ready to trigger the next voice. From piano to guitar, for instance.
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#118189 - 06/02/05 02:12 PM Re: Best way to change voices fast
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Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 298
Loc: Boynton Beach, Fl.
Scott.

Will your system of Voices for the psr2000 work on the psr3000 also?

Peter

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#118190 - 06/02/05 03:04 PM Re: Best way to change voices fast
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Bill,
What I did was set a different voice for each of the 8 registrations. Then set the Freeze parameters to freeze everything EXCEPT that voice. That way when you change registrations with the Freeze light on, all you change is the lead voice. You will always have 8 instant voices ready.
DonM
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#118191 - 06/02/05 07:21 PM Re: Best way to change voices fast
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Registered: 05/20/05
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Loc: Boynton Beach, Fl.
Don,
Could you please explain your system again especially the part where you said,"set the Freeze parameters to freeze everything EXCEPT that voice."
Thanks,

Peter

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#118192 - 06/02/05 10:37 PM Re: Best way to change voices fast
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Registered: 02/20/03
Posts: 85
Loc: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
I don't have a PSR2000 but I think you could use the registration buttons to do quick voice changes.

Program all the buttons with the same configurations except the main voice - each button will have a different voice in the main section. You just need to press only one button (one of the reg. buttons) to change the main voice.

Just my thoughts

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#118193 - 06/02/05 10:40 PM Re: Best way to change voices fast
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by Musicman22:
Don,
Could you please explain your system again especially the part where you said,"set the Freeze parameters to freeze everything EXCEPT that voice."
Thanks,

Peter



I had 8 basic registrations. One CW Swing, one 2/4 CW, one Waltz, one 4/4 slow, one Shuffle, one 6/8, one R&R, one Latin.
With these I could do literally hundreds of requests. Each of them had a different right-hand lead sound assigned to it. When the Freeze light is off, the entire registration changes. When the Freeze light is on, only the right-hand voice changes.
You set the Freeze parameters by pressing the Direct Access button, then the Freeze button.
As I recall, I had Piano on one, Piano with an Octave shift on two, Acc. guitar on three, Steel guitar on four, organ on five, R&R guitar on six, Sax on seven and Growl Sax on eight.
Of course you can do more than one bank if you wish.
DonM
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#118194 - 06/03/05 12:45 AM Re: Best way to change voices fast
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Registered: 06/09/02
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Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Hi Peter

Yes, it will work on your PSR3000 just as it does on my Tyros, BUT:

Not all sounds will transfer sounding properly, but you can easily keep the ones that sound good and substitute your own favorite sounds from your particular keyboard.

You will easily be able to tell which voices sound good and the ones that don't. The ones that don't sound good kind of drop out in volume, at least that's what happens on my Tyros.

Scott

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#118195 - 06/03/05 01:24 AM Re: Best way to change voices fast
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Registered: 06/09/02
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Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Hi SemiLiveMusic

As far as the easiest ways to change a sound and only press one button. If you press your "F" button for MAIN, then press user voices, then select which category of 10 voices you want to choose from, this is all done before you start playing the song BTW, you then have 10 voices to choose from on your screen at the tough of ONE button. HOWEVER, and I think this is where you are probably running into a problem, if you use my method, you will want to turn off the OTS button that changes the voices when you change between the different rhythm variations. This is the easiest way by a long shot to have a minimum of 10 voices ready with one touch while on the fly. If you have a little more time you can easily learn to recall what voices are on each page whether you use the 70 or 100 voice sets that I created, or if you create your own. You will have to see if it's easier to use your right hand or left hand to do this.

Also, depending on how you are performing, you will find the fill-in button being pressed unitl you find your next button can help you out of a tight spot and also can add a nice touch to your arrangement.

The window is a lot closer to your left hand than the Reg Mem buttons. Also, you can leave the user voice screen up while you perform the song and it will be very easy to see what sounds are where.

I use this all night with absolute ease. I also use only one bank of Reg Mem. It's much easier to remember than having a bunch of them. The only reason I even use Reg Mem is for my favorite sounds, especially ones that I have 2 or 3 sounds layered.

You could make a gig disk where you save the style and sounds in the OTS using the style creator if that appeals to you. But, I have found that to be a lot of uneccessary work. If you use the category user voice idea, then you don't have to create OTS for each and every song.

Some like to have styles on their Reg Mem button with sound registrations. This works great, I'm sure if you get used to it, but, if you forget to press the Freeze button, you can easily have the wrong style going. I personally don't like to mix the two together. I think it's much easier to have styles in where they can normally be found, in the preset buttons, user styles, MFD.

Also, on the Tyros I can assign a foot pedal to change my Reg Mem. It will move to the very next Reg button just by hitting the pedal. I am not sure if that is available on the 2000. I no longer have the manual and I didn't see anything about pedals over on psrtutorial.

How about it 2000 people, can that be done?


Scott

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#118196 - 06/03/05 06:21 AM Re: Best way to change voices fast
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
On my Roland boards, I set up a color sound that I bring in with a EV5 pedal.
This is the best way for me to change the sound..You can set it up in a way that you can actually switch from one sound to another via EV5 pedal, or blend the two together..
I can also change to a second tone with velocity switching..
If you can not do these things with a Yamaha, let the drummer[fill] cover you while you make a tone change with your right hand...Also I repeat the intro, this allows plenty of time to change tones..
As DonM has stated ,I also use the lockouts on my Roland..this allows a whole new ballgame,without striking out..
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