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#118816 - 01/15/04 02:50 AM Re: TC Helicon VoiceWorks Vocal Processor: Worth taking the plunge?
trtjazz Offline
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Registered: 08/01/02
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Scott
"Roel & Terry: Interesting to hear that even though the VoicePrism is quite a bit more expensive than the VoiceWorks, the VoiceWorks sounds better. Is the midi implementation (for triggering harmonies from the keyboard (Tyros) real easy to setup on the VoiceWorks?"

There are 3 different types of patches on the VW.

They allow you to follow midi chords, single notes or neitherand it will just follow voice pitch (so you have to sing on and in key).

For the "chord" patches, it's just a matter of plugging a midi cable in and making sure the channels in each match up, just that simple.

Too bad you were'nt ready for this when I had that one for $519.00.
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#118817 - 01/15/04 05:01 AM Re: TC Helicon VoiceWorks Vocal Processor: Worth taking the plunge?
Roel Offline
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Registered: 06/24/99
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Yep ! Very easy to use Scott.

Tonight I'll shoot a picture of my 'rack' (in fact the same Samsonite suitcase )
The only equipment in it is The VoiceWorks, Behringer 6 ch. Mixer and Sony MD for music during our very short breaks.

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#118818 - 01/15/04 07:46 AM Re: TC Helicon VoiceWorks Vocal Processor: Worth taking the plunge?
KFingers Offline
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Registered: 08/21/02
Posts: 366
Loc: Brighton - UK
Hi Guys - I have a voiceprism plus (with voice modelling card) and I agree that it can be very difficult to set up as there as so many different parameters. However when these are stored into your own presets then it is simplicity itself to use.

Like all harmonisers you shouldn't overuse the thing and when I'm working with it I generally use only two part harmony with the harmony voice(s) only on half the volume of the main voice. I find this the most acceptable with audiences.

However, the real plus for me is the voice modelling card. I use it to process my solo voice for a more gutsy/raspy/soulful sound as my normal voice is quite wimpy and I need all the help I can get. I also use it to give me female voices for alternative harmony without it sounding munchkin/speedy mouse etc.

I don't use it for recording harmonies as you can easily multitrack and there is no pitchshift/correction. But for alternative gender and voice types it was worth the cash.

Regards - KF

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#118819 - 01/15/04 09:15 AM Re: TC Helicon VoiceWorks Vocal Processor: Worth taking the plunge?
Roel Offline
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Registered: 06/24/99
Posts: 1232
Scott,

I sent you the pics !

Roel

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#118820 - 01/15/04 09:52 AM Re: TC Helicon VoiceWorks Vocal Processor: Worth taking the plunge?
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Scott,

YES! And in my case, though I'm not rolling in money, I would have put out the extra $400 had I thought it would have been that much better. Unfortunately, it was not $400 better, and at best, I found it marginally better than the Digitech VR.

The other part of the equation was the actual use time of the vocalizer, which is quite limited. Bottom line was I can find a lot better ways to spend $400. In fact, that's what I anticipate that I'll have to pay for a back-up laptop, which will get used a lot more.

Good Luck, and I hope everything works out for you. At least you have the 30 day return option to fall back on.

Gary
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#118821 - 01/15/04 10:08 AM Re: TC Helicon VoiceWorks Vocal Processor: Worth taking the plunge?
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
at least you have the 30 day return option to fall back on.
Gary


Yes, I have to admit that having the 30 day satisfaction guaranteed refund option makes purchasing music gear a whole LOT easier & risk free. With all the mixed/varied opinions here about this piece, I realize that I just have to try the 'VoiceWorks' out for myself and then form my own opinion, and I do promise to share it with you. Scott
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#118822 - 01/15/04 01:08 PM Re: TC Helicon VoiceWorks Vocal Processor: Worth taking the plunge?
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Scott,

The best way to get an objective review is to post two, identical MP3s, one using the TC and the other using the Tyros vocal processor. Just mark them A & B and let everyone listen to them before telling us which is which. Remember, we used the same benchmark with Terry for the recorder VS the computer, but he still opted to buy the recorder, despite having more than 2/3 of the members voting for the computer. You just never know!

Gary
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#118823 - 01/15/04 02:28 PM Re: TC Helicon VoiceWorks Vocal Processor: Worth taking the plunge?
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
Scott,
The best way to get an objective review is to post two, identical MP3s, one using the TC and the other using the Tyros vocal processor.


Though certainly a good cross sectional poll of people's views here, I wouldn't call it objective, as everyone's vote is still subjective.

At this point, I've quickly learned that opinions are like as@holes, everyone's got one, including myself My personal feeling about the Tyros & PSR2000/2100 built in harmonizers are that they're great for live work, but sub par for serious studio recording. If the TC Helicon sounds impressive (to me), is relatively ez to operate, and fits into my particular recording style, then it will be keeper (iregardless of the results of any poll here) and worth the expense. If not, back it goes. I wish life could always be this simple. I'm learning.

On the subject of the Digital Audio Recorder vs Computer (Sonar) thing, I admit I was among the ones who preferred the computer vs DAW in Terry's MP3 test, but the 'real' world doesn't work this way. Now that I own both Sonar 3 and a Korg D1200mkII DAW, I can honestly say that I feel a lot more comfortable 'creating' music on the D1200mkII. As a musician (and not a studio engineer), tweaking and listening for minute frequency differences is not where it's at in the end. I want a piece of equipment that won't get in the way of my creative music making flow, and for now I appreciate the convenience of the D1200mkII. I now look forward to auditioning the TC Helicon Voiceworks as well. - Scott
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