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#129908 - 01/20/05 07:43 PM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by to the genesys:
Sounds like Korg is following Lionstracks's Media Station. The only thing with that korg keyboard is that unlike the media station, for that price it does not have arranger features. But the good thing is that other keyboard manufactures are finally seeing the wisdum of including multi tract recording on their hardware keyboards.

To me, today there is no reason why a keyboard can not do all that a music production software can do.


Yes, you have right...
This keyboard is really amazing, I tol in the post before.
They will try to made some new, but they still will use one embedded and propietary system. Only the X86( PC) give the solution in one keyboard to made the same stuff like a PC music production software, with more power and freedom to install what you want.
I'm still don't understand what mean OAS system " open system" for who? They give us the possibility to change, configure, editing something or is still the close embeded keyboard like all?
I see the same problem with Wersi, really nice keyboards too, OAS open system for who?
Is made under windows, it mean NO souce code and for sure no AOS source code for change or fix what you want.
Same problem for Yamaha, had buy Steinberg, but you think that they someday will install some VST plugh ins in the Tyros? In one embedded system?

Listen, EVERY body is totally FREE to buy what they want and to be happy with that they had buy.

Still the all brands there do NOT will made the BIG jump to develope one keyboard under X86 CPU and Linux, never you can have a OAS OPEN SYSTEM keyboard.

You gave there a look what with Linux is possible to do and to have? http://www.lionstracs.com/index.php?module=Static_Docs&func=view&f=/screenshots.html

You need a mutitracks system? http://muse.serverkommune.de/
or: http://ardour.org/
or: http://bloodshed.net/wired/?sid=5
or: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
This mean OAS...just typing in the virtual keyboard like this: http://www.lionstracs.com/modules/Static_Docs/data/gui/snapshot12.png
the comand: apt-get install xxxxx what you want and you have...for FREE.
But then MAYBE you need some VST stuff: http://djcj.org/LAU/ladspavst/


And again, how I told before:they can use a BIG LCD 10", 15"...., but if the have at max 640x480 pixel resolution, mean that you NEVER can open one standard application ( need 800x600 min.)
Anyway, they really made new amazing produtcs, pity only that after 6/8 months come to old and a new SAME keyboard with some new knobs, faders....will replace it.
8000$ are not so much for one musician IF he can play over it for many years....right?

Cheers, anyway I like you all guys...
Domenik

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#129909 - 01/20/05 08:00 PM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
Alone&Forsaken Offline
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#129910 - 01/20/05 08:37 PM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
The Pro Offline
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Registered: 07/09/02
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I watched the 30-minute unveiling demo with a good speaker system (what fun hi-speed web) and the Oasys looks and sounds like a one-stop combination of many keyboards in one package. It's impressive to see a new 300lb gorilla take the stage, but it's not devastatingly new technology IMHO. I think it's possible to do many similar things the Oasys does with other instruments and/or combinations of VSTi's. And most importantly, from what I heard I didn't think the sound of any of the Oasys synth engines; from hi-def to AL-1 analog to sampling to even the CX-3 which is Korg's very good clonewheel to the grand piano (whew!) sounded any better than the Motif ES 8. Really... nothing blew away quite as much as I expected/hoped and that's not just to join with the many nay-sayers of this keyboard on the web already. But it is cool having all this in one place. Where this instrument will reign is in the hop hop studios - heck it IS a total hip hop studio. If you have no other gear and WANT no other gear, this is for you. It's daring and innovative, but a bit specialized. Mega-priced synths haven't historically sold very well or lasted very long, but I hear that Korg intends to spin off less costlier products from the Oasis technology, so there's a certain practicality to it. And it'll stake nice bragging rights for whoever can afford it and make use of it.

So are music stores going to let every kid on the block mug this $8k+ thing up on the showroom floor?
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#129911 - 01/21/05 12:36 AM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
Alone&Forsaken Offline
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Registered: 12/01/04
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Yeah the price tag does place it in fantasy land...only honestly Im sure one could spend half their asking price on other random gear, and get results beyond the "all in one" unit.

Hell...you could get a microkorg, ms2000, triton le, karma, some crazy amount of digital tracks all from korg for less far less.

!!!! you could get the Andromeda from Alesis !!!! with thousands left over!!!! Hah words I never thought I would say. You could get the entire Alesis line up with cash left over for mics mixer and so on :P

Im still waiting for them to surprise me with the real price of 6,000$ or lower, that at least borders on understandable insanity. Plus want to see the price of the new Alesis ( not that im gonna be buying one or anything ), cause there is a chance it could be half what the korg is and full of things we just dont suspect. Not to sound whatever just Alesis synth line up with the Ion and Micron ( VAs ) and the Andromeda hurts their respective competition badly. I would expect these features to excel on their new board Fusion at the very least.

Only I do feel korgs new board holds a potential nitch outside of hip hop.

"So are music stores going to let every kid on the block mug this $8k+ thing up on the showroom floor?"

lol IM not thinking to many stores are gonna have this on their showfloor...and those that do will have it surrounded by dozens of keyboard distractions as it sits on a platform throne with plasma screens looping the inception of the keyboard with the authority of a moon landing.

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#129912 - 01/21/05 04:06 AM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
spalding Offline
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Registered: 09/29/04
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Loc: Birmingham
yep saw the stream too. I really wanted to be impressed but there was nothing to shout home about. Nothing it did blew me away and dance music to me is more an excersise of math algorithms set to music through oscillators and filters. I am 36 years old and kids music does nothing for me but put me to sleep. Thats exactly what the demo did to me. (but it was 4.00am when i viewed it !) I may be a dinasuur but once you have haerd one dance track, trance track you have heard them all!

The real problem is that keyboards today are so close to sounding like authentic instruments and the synth type sounds can be manipulated to every concieveable extent that the "sound" ,the thing that matters most to musicians is not really an issue any more. There are at least 5 top flight keyboards out there, any of which i would be more than content with and i would not have to pay $8000 for.And as i have said before the only limit to me musically is my imagination.

No matter what the functionality of the board, you can only sell "all in one music solutions" to people who cannot afford to buy the specialist equipment separately or who simply dont have the space. They dont tend to be professional musicians. Even pros would balk at that price.

If i had $8000 to spare i would set up a recording studio with dedicated separates. All in one products sell because of their convenience but you have to balance that against a reasonable price tag.I dont know who korg intend to sell this monster to but its certainly not me.

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#129913 - 01/21/05 04:40 AM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
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Registered: 10/08/00
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Spalding,
I'm with you on the eight grand for a studio set. I cannot justify spending that much money on one keyboard when you can spend the same amount and get so many other things. I was set to buy the Motif ES-7 a week or so ago, but held off becasue I wanted to see this new Korg. I'm impressed with it. I know I'd have a blast with the keyboard, but for that price hell no! I bought my wife a very nice Ford Taurus for less than that Now I just have to wait and see what Alesis is going to ask for their new Fusionsynth. If theirs is just as expensive then I'm buying the Motif ES-7. The Motif is still one mean synth!

Squeak
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#129914 - 01/23/05 11:40 AM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
Clif Anderson Offline
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Registered: 02/17/00
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The Oasys provides full chord recognition and multipads. These are arranger-like performance features not available in the Motif ES and the Fusion. (The Motif ES has limited chord recognition, but cannot handle inversions or different voicings). I hope these are retained when Korg releases more economical versions of the Oasys.

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#129915 - 01/23/05 11:52 AM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
KN_Fan Offline
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Registered: 10/01/02
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I wonder due to my experience with Triton Studio...if the design team ever included REAL musicians when they created new keyboards? Seems that new keyboards come with more capability, but it's geared towards engineers and people with white lab coats. Knowing my Studio is already hard to deal with, I suspect you'll need a 12 page manual to find the "on/off" switch on the OASYS?

Hah...never a keyboard makes me resentful like this. Good job KORG!

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#129916 - 01/23/05 12:52 PM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
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Registered: 12/01/04
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"if the design team ever included REAL musicians when they created new keyboards?"

The things you read :P

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#129917 - 01/23/05 09:06 PM Re: Korgs New Keyboard! Holy CRAP!!!!!!!!
George Kaye Offline
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Registered: 11/24/99
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I was at the Korg both today and got to see and hear the OASIS. Was I impressed? Not really! I don't get excited much any more with keyboards costing in a range that only a few studio musicians and road touring musicians can afford. It sounded good, but then again, I think just about every keyboard out there on the market today such as motif, triton, fantom, etc. all have steller sounds.
Korg has decided to only sell these models, probably because they don't want to produce to many because of a lower volume sales item, to just a select few dealers in each sales market. So I know in the LA area that only certain guitar centers or sam ash stores will display and sell these.
I think it is the kind of keyboard that every "want to be" studio musician will be spending hours just playing but not purchasing this new keyboard. Only time will tell.


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