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#133141 - 10/15/07 09:35 PM 3rd S900 on its way
CoasterTim Offline
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After a delay due to misinformation between my salesman and his Yamaha rep, my 2nd broken S900 ships back tomorrow and my 3rd(and last) S900 arrives (keep your fingers crossed) on Thurs. It's getting to the point of distrust on my part - as you can imagine - that I hesitate to continue to be a loyal Yamaha customer. Even my salesman is surprised that I haven't given up by now. It would be a welcome gesture if Yamaha would do something - anything - to make up for the hassle and the repeated disappointment that the lack of quality control has caused...and it would go a long way in restoring my faith in this huge corporation...just to know they care about this little guy.

Tim
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#133142 - 10/15/07 10:06 PM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Tim,
so sorry to hear about all the hassles you've had. Sort of takes away all the joy of getting a new keyboard. For us hobbyists it's all about the anticipation & fun of owning a new toy ( or at least for me).
Just doesn't make sense things could have gone so wrong.
Good luck with your new one.

best wishes
Rikki

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#133143 - 10/15/07 10:51 PM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
Taike Offline
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Registered: 03/28/02
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Good luck, Tim. I can only imagine how you must feel. I guess I would've thrown in the towel after the second time. Maybe your determination will pay off this time.

Taike
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#133144 - 10/16/07 02:43 AM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
Beakybird Offline
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Registered: 01/27/01
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My retailer didn't make me ship back my defective one until the new one arrived at my home. The first replacement took over 5 weeks during which I got to play and gig with my defective board.

I hope this one was inspected thoroughly. You shouldn't have to be waiting so long after two mess ups.

Beakybird

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#133145 - 10/16/07 04:10 AM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
led1 Offline
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Registered: 08/10/07
Posts: 4
That is shoddy treatment for such a large company. When I got my E80 it was also defective ( D Beam didn't work ) I called the shop who then got a roland technician to phone me from Roland UK. A new E80 arrived the very next day. I also got a bonus disk of midi files for my inconvenience. You should at least get something from your salesman or yamaha for all the trouble you have been put through Tim.

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#133146 - 10/16/07 06:52 AM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
Dnj Offline
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Tim good luck this time around.

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#133147 - 10/16/07 02:03 PM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
jedi Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 1125
Loc: Merrimack, N.H.
Hi Tim,
Best of luck on your 3rd S900 , I really hope this one is A-OK !
It`s like Rikki said , it really takes all the fun out of getting a new A/KB.

I know , at least in my case , once I finally decide what to get , there will be the anxiety of waiting and hoping that it is perfect and that you don`t have to say , well I guess that`s the best they could do.

My friend , you have been through enough already , it`s far time you got hooked up with a good board , and I hope that is going to happen on Thursday !!

All my hopes man , take care !

Gary

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#133148 - 10/16/07 07:02 PM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Tim,

Hope everything works out OK with #3. Man, you've really been through Hell with the keyboards. Kinda' makes me glad I decided to stick with my 3000s. They've really held up well.

Good Luck,

Gary

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#133149 - 10/16/07 07:31 PM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
CoasterTim Offline
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Registered: 06/10/00
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Loc: Allentown, PA, USA
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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
Tim,

Kinda' makes me glad I decided to stick with my 3000s. They've really held up well.



Gary,
I think time will prove that the 3000 was the best all-around arranger for the money Yamaha has ever produced. It's bound to be a classic...especially after seeing the lackluster build quality of its successors. I'm kinda sorry I sold mine.

Tim
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#133150 - 10/16/07 07:54 PM Re: 3rd S900 on its way
keybplayer Offline
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 2417
Loc: CA
Could this be one of the reasons we are starting to see all these quality control issues with Yamaha?

Yamaha Closes Two U.S. Manufacturing Facilities


Action Necessary to Ensure Yamaha's and its Retailers' Competitiveness and Continued Growth

BUENA PARK, Calif. Yamaha Corporation of America has announced the closing of two U.S. manufacturing facilities and will consolidate its musical instrument manufacturing operations in Asia. The closures are part of a long-term plan to enhance Yamaha's competitive position in an increasingly aggressive global musical products market.

The facilities, Yamaha Music Manufacturing, Inc. (YMM) in Thomaston, Georgia, and Yamaha Musical Products, Inc. (YMP) in Grand Rapids, Michigan, have ceased operations as of March 30 and April 27, 2007, respectively. These factories currently manufacture Yamaha's renowned line of acoustic pianos, professional audio speakers and woodwind, brasswind and percussion musical instruments.

Mr. Yoshihiro Doi, president, Yamaha Corporation of America, made the announcement to all employees and to those directly affected, with sadness and regret.

"We have worked long and hard together here in the U.S. to manufacture the world's finest musical instruments. I am proud of our people and their achievements, and I deeply appreciate their commitment and loyalty to Yamaha," said Doi. "I am equally grateful for the support of the local communities in which these plants have thrived for a combined sixty years of commitment here in the United States."

"We must take this action in light of market realities and new, fierce international competition," he added.

The closings have affected approximately 380 employees in the two locations. The company has provided the employees with a comprehensive separation package.

Yamaha will move its manufacturing operations to existing company-owned overseas facilities but remains committed to marketing and to continuing its traditional high level of service support to its products in the United States. Also, as part of this restructuring, Yamaha Exporting, Inc. (YEI) will be integrated into an exporting department of Yamaha's Operations Division, effective April 1, and the Band & Orchestral Custom Shop and parts will be relocated to Yamaha Corporation of America headquarters in Buena Park, California. YMP and YMM finished goods and warranty services will be relocated to other locations to be disclosed at a later date.

Mr. Doi says the musical products industry, especially in traditional instruments such as pianos, wind and percussion instruments, has become increasingly challenging due to the emergence of new, aggressive global competition, notably from manufacturers based in China. Additionally, many established competitors based in the U.S. have already shifted large portions or, in some cases, their entire production to sources outside the U.S.

The closures, he said, are being made with extreme reluctance, but are necessary to ensure Yamaha's and its retailers' competitiveness and continued growth in the musical products marketplace.

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Near the end of his statement Mr. Doi may have been referring to Mackie Inc. (and others) which have transferred all their manufacturing of products to China. And of course there are many more of U.S. and other companies worldwide that have done likewise. The reason they are doing it as Mr. Doi said is to be able to stay afloat in a very competitive market. But we the consumers are paying the price for all these products being made overseas and in third world countries. China is exploding on the economic front at a phenomenal rate but because it is growing at such a fast and furious pace many loopholes and shortcuts are most likely being taken and something has to give. One of the things that is suffering in the process is consistent quality control in my opinion. I think China has the most pervasive problem but by no means are they the only ones. Take Indonesia for instance.. But there is hope! For a fine example of extrodinary turn around take a look at Japan! Forty years ago when you referred to a product as being "made in Japan" it meant something cheaply made and at the bottom rung of what one would consider of good quality. Fast Forward to today and it is the complete opposite for products made in Japan.

But in the meantime with these other countries such as China and/or Indonesia etc., we will unfortunately have to suffer through these various ordeals with quality control issues until they do a similar turnaround like Japan did. With China it will probably take a good ten to twenty years to straighten things out and probably a similar timeline with Indonesia and some of these other third world countries. Buying products that are made in these countries today is kind of a pay and pray approach where you spend your hard earned money and hope you will be buying something worthy of the products price and that it works according to spec. As we have seen though a lot of times that's not the case unfortunately.

Best,
Mike
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