After first performing at Frans daughters wedding last year with the Bose PAS.... I had another opportunity this week to go to a local Guitar Center with Fran and really give it a full performance volume private test drive using my 3k keyboard and mic in the pro audio sound room with the doors closed.......OMG what a great clear pure sound........I pumped that baby up and did about a 20 minute song set full force as if I was on stage.....I was so impressed that I will be buying one next week....Highs were searing, Lows thumped, My vocals came thru the mix with outstanding brilliance, .the clarity throughout the whole range was excellent….easily adjustable with the included remote control…..its so unique from top to bottom and well worth the $1999.99 price tag too, it will be so easy to transport also vs. my current system [Mackie 350‘s/w/Roland sub…..now I know what Uncle Dave, Eddie Shoemaker, & Gary Diamond are all raving about….I cant wait to try this BOSE PAS system on stage…
I’ve heard nothing but good things about it. If you get a chance you should give it a tryout ASAP!!

More to come for sure……….
http://www.bose.com

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Good for you Donny ... best of luck with it ....
t.

Tony....I'll keep you updated for sure on the PAS after I perform with it at various venues...

Here are some DEMO Videos you can watch online on the Bose PAS system that really explain how it works.
http://www.shawnsmith.com/bose/video.htm

Donny, assuming you're still utilizing a Yamaha arranger keyboard, curious how you've overcome the terrible phase cancellation problem which occurs when playing Yamaha 'stereo sampled' voices like: Grand Piano, thru a mono output. Are you able to utilize Yamaha's 'stereo sampled' choice instrument voices or are you now limited to the keyboard's mono GM voices only?

I recall Gary Diamond (TravelinEasy) saying he was somehow able to tweak the GM voices to sound acceptable thru the Bose PAS. I'd like to hear MORE DETAILS on this. Does acceptable mean attaining the sound quality of the PSR3000/Tyros' choice instrument voices, or merely a half hearted compromise? As you all remember I too had auditioned the PAS (with my Tyros keyboard setup) on several occasions, both in the studio as well as on a gig, and could never get my Tyross stereo sampled instrument voices, particularly the "Grand Piano" (most important for my playing performance) to sound even marginally acceptable. LIVE piano playing requires the acoustic piano to sound LIVE, and in my tests thru the Bose PAS, the Grand Piano sounded absolutely DEAD!

Donny, Eddie, Uncle Dave, and other Yamaha Arranger Keyboard- Bose PAS owners, I'd like to learn how each of you has overcome the problem of Stereo Phase Cancellation with your PAS setup, as I'm willing to give the Bose PAS system another shot if this really can be resolved. Thanks. - Scott

Just checked out the videos... great sell, definitely has me thinking.

Scott although I only auditioned the PAS the other day & I'll be buying one next week, I personally didnt hear a big difference when I played different pianos either solo or layered w/styles in arranger mode. It actually sounded better and so much more clearer and crisp then my current system even though its Mono.....that was one of my concerns also......but this system is not like a conventional sound system that we are used too. Uncle Dave has told me this from the start but until you approach this with a new knowlege in a BOSE Pas mindset you start to realize whats happening......Have you watched the PAS Videos DEMOS? As far as tweaking GM Piano sounds I will let Gary D, U Dave, Eddie S, chime in with their thoughts on the subject ok?

Glenn........If ya get a chance go try one out at a GC store using
YOUR OWN Gear......thats the only way to know if its right for you....

Good Luck

WHAT??? Donny's crazy about the PAS??? I can't believe it, Donny, after all the skeptic thoughts about non-stereo systems! Well it seems you finally auditioned it 'properly'.

I did exactly like you to test my system: brought my Tyros and my usual microphone, and headed to the Bose distributor. Tested for an hour and came back one week later to buy it.

Scott, if your grand piano sounded 'absolutely dead' to your ears, I suspect you didn't play long enough with the presets. It takes some time to find the right way to use this system. In my experience it MAKES a difference connecting both L & R channels to two PAS channels, instead of only using one summed L/R channel. Give it a second try, Scott.

-- José.

José is right on.

Before you can get the max benefit of the PAS you need to perform the “stage gaining” per their instructions. It’s a one-time deal. Once you set it, you can forget it.

All the PAS units come loaded with v1 of their presets. I didn’t begin to smile until I 1) tweaked the EQ within my kb and 2) then found the most appropriate preset in one of the channels (which, for me was # 05).

Then I downloaded the v2 presets and installed them. I found two new ones that really made me smile (55 & 57).

Then, at Gary’s suggestion, I ran L&R out of the kb and plugged into channels 1 & 2. WOW.

Placement of the PAS unit and its sub is also critical in getting the most of the system…and that can change with each venue.

I’m still learning…but enjoying it more everyday.

Eddie

Hi Jose, I'm sure I plugged the TWO discrete audio main outputs (on my Tyros) to two separate audio inputs on the PAS. I suspect my problem may have been with the preset EQ settings I used on the PAS itself.

It's been over a year since I auditioned the PAS, and as I recall reading, Bose fairly recently (within the last year) updated the PAS to now include more EQ setting options. Is this true?

Jose, please share with me exactly which specific Bose PAS: 'presets' & 'eq settings' you used in order to get the Tyros stereo sampled "GRAND PIANO" patch to sound satisfying. Once you do this, I'll be sure to take my Tyros into my local Guitar Center Store and give the Bose PAS another audition (with YOUR settings this time). Thanks. - Scott

Hi Scott,

I will gladly send you my settings (PAS and Tyros) to give you a point to start your testing (I do not have my Tyros with me until tomorrow night). They are not very different from Gary's. Please check out this thread for details; Gary and Eddie are the real experts and they helped me a lot: http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/010996.html

My european PAS came with presets_v2 already. I'm using preset #57 in both channels #1 and #2. And with this preset and roughly with the keyboard settings Gary is using, I would be very surprised that you find the grand piano (and all the other sounds) 'absolutely dead'. One more thought: it is possible that after a new audition, you still prefer the grand piano sound through a high quality conventional PA like yours, if you are on the right spot. Like I said before this is a hi-fi system, made with high quality components, BUT the real inovation is in the way it reaches an audience. Dispersion is amazing and this results in top clarity.

I will come back as soon as possible.

-- José.

Scott,

Last night Ray Bastianelli, who is an excellent musician/performer sat down with his Tyros hooked up to my PAS system. The first thing he noticed was the crisp, clear sounds coming from the keyboard. I asked him to try his grand piano, mainly so I could compare the sound coming from the Tyros to that of the 3000's live grand piano. He played just the piano--no accompianament. The sound was excellent.

The next thing we did was to have me play his keyboard while he walked throughout the room and listened to the sounds. No matter where he walked, the volume level was the same.

He sat down on the couch while I played, and said "I really don't understand this, but I really love what I'm hearing. Especially when you consider that I am totally deaf in my right ear, which is the one facing the speakers, but there is no difference in the volume or quality of the sound regardless of the direction I'm facing. This is fantastic."

Ray later went on to explain that his wife would likely kill him if he were to buy the PAS anytime in the immediate future. Additionally, he wasn't convinced if it would do the job in a large hall. If I can swing it, I hope to set up the system at his next big job so he can hear this for himself.

Should be fun,

Gary

This sums up the top experience we can have when we play through this system. It's in this exact matter that the PAS exceeds all expectations.

-- José.

Gary, I can understand what Ray was thinking about the PAS......its like putting a slice of Lemon under your nose......& eating an Orange tricking your senses......looking at the PAS & LISTENING TO IT tricks the Eyes, BUT pleases the EARS in such a beautiful efficient way that has to be experienced like no other.

I also used an PAS EQ setting on both L/R channels of #05 which made all the difference.
But I hear the new Upgrade EQ settings are wonderfull also giving you much more options.

Donny...
I was using preset 5 until I downloaded the v.2. Wait until you hear what 55 and 57 can do.
Eddie

Eddie.....I'll try it out very very soon.....thanx for the info!!

Jose, thanks, much appreciated!



Hi Gar: If it was truly the Tyros stereo sampled: "Grand Piano" voice that you say sounded excellent thru the Bose PAS, then there most definitely must have been MAJOR UPGRADE made to the PAS system since I auditioned it last. I suspect the UPGRADE was made specifically to address the classic stereo to mono phase cancellation problem. I'm now anxious to give the recently updated version of the Bose PAS another audition & yet another (I believe 4th now) chance to win me over.



Hi Eddie & Donny: I look forward now to auditioning the Bose PAS again, with preset #05 as well as the new added EQ preset settings in OS (?) version 2: 55, & 57. Am I to assume that the PAS includes a 'software' upgradeable OS which is downloadable? If so, what is the procedure for INSTALLING the software OS upgrade into the PAS?

Any additional PAS EQ preset setting setup advice for Yamaha keyboard (specically Tyros players) would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Scott

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Scott..To upgrade the PAS to the latest OS version, Im told is done thru a Digital Info Link & cable from a Disc & DVD Player to the PAS os. Gary & Eddie will have more info on this since they have alrady done this...

Scott,

Complete installation instructions come with the download. You must use a DVD player to instal the OS and new settings. It only took a few minutes to do this.

The other thing that is critical is to set up the volume levels per the instructions. You cannot just plug in and go. There are certain steps that must be followed, then once this has been established, you do not have to do this again--it's a one-time shot.

Additionally, the psuedo mono output from the keyboard will not cut it with most sampled sounds. However, if you use both outputs, plug into the two channels with presets, set the presets and volumes per instructions, you will hear a significant difference. One just the L+R=mono plugged into a single channel, the piano sounds a bit thin. Not so using two channels.

Good Luck,

Gary

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Hi Gar, I understood this from the 'get go' when I initially auditioned the PAS a year and a half ago, and made sure to go out my Tyros in discrete stereo, utilizing 2 separate audio output cords, with each cord going into separate INPUT channels on the Bose PAS. Unfortunately, even with it setup this way, resulted in an unpleasant brittle dull sounding "Grand Piano" because the effects were now not heard (canceled out because of the classic stereo phase canceling phenomenom). My only guess is that perhaps Bose PAS's recent OS upgrade (of which includes new Preset EQ setting improvements) may have addressed and somehow been able to resolved(?) the prior stereo voice sampled phase cancellation problem. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and will let you guys know my findings after I've finally had a chance to audition at my local Guitar Center, the PAS with my Tyros once again. - Scott

Hi Scott
This problem has been discussed many times on the Bose Forum. http://bose.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x

There is a wealth of info here.
Bernie

So volume wise and bass ouput, what size room or what capacity room would the PAS start to faulter, expecially when adding some umph?

Also when higher volume is needed, how close is a problem with feedback?

Also, can a band get rid of their floor monitor system and go with a PAS, in addition to their regular PA?

How do you handle the mix situation with people playing?

Check out the 10 demo videos links it addresses all your PAS questions.
http://www.shawnsmith.com/bose/video.htm

Todays the day I get the PAS ......
more to come

Well . . . ?????
DonM

Common, Donny... can't hold our breath forever.

Seriously, congrats and have fun.

Glenn

Donny has his days mixed up..He just picked the Bose up at noon today..

Just got an email from DNJ, he tested everything at his Thursday Night Dance Club and the best word he used to describe the system was AWESOME! He's a happy camper and lovin' life.

I hope to see him this Thursday using the PAS for his dance crowd--should be incredible.

Gary

I'm especially interested in getting DNJ's feedback results when playing exposed LIVE solo piano thru the PAS system. Curious to hear just 'how good' the Yamaha stereo GRAND PIANO sounds thru the PAS, especially considering the fact that my tests on an earlier version PAS (over a year and a half ago) fared so bad. What specific PAS setting(s) yields the best (hopefully impressive) results? - Scott

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Hi,........Ok, I got the Bose PAS w/sub today and all I can say is OMG!!! although I have already peformed with Daves unit, and also demoed it in the GC store I was more then confident it would sound incredible and it did!
I then took it to my dance club and setup on stage and let er rip to give it a try and to get aquainted with using it.... It is the best sounding sound system I have ever played thru...CRISP CLEAR sound is all I can say, SEARING VOCALS that really tear thru the mix like nothing I have heard....the mono argument is non existeant and a non issue as far as my ears can tell & this includes LIVE, SMF, & MP3's...although I would definitly say as prescribed by Gary & Eddie you must use TWO KB SEPERATE LINE OUTS to Channels 1&2 instead of ONE L/R Mono out from the KB.....I've extensivly tested this and there is a big difference in sound. Portability is incredible and space saving big time, my van has so much room now hehehe......Scott the piano sounded fine to me...I would suggest you go thru the BOSE PAS UPDATED EQ settings until you find one that you prefere if your going to do Piano Solo work etc..I love the remote control too it makes controling the mix Sooooo easy.....
MY Vocal Harmony thru the mix was simply the best I ever heard, every voice clear and sharp without any Muddling !!!!AS far as the overall sound its so hard to explain its not like any other system that blasts sound in your face if your close, instead it spreads the sound matrix ALL OVER THE ROOM to a degree thats comfortable to the ears everywhere you walk in the room, there are no loud spots its an even spread of volume that has to be heard is all I can say.....the quality is top notch and super well made, incudes all cases too....easy to setup in minutes too.. I think Im gonna love this system for sure....cant wait to dig in and perform with it all this week in different applications.....MUCH MORE To Come!!





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Scott,
Please excuse my belated response, concerning my Tyros settings with the PAS. These days I do not practice at all and I do not usually have my Tyros with me (only bring it to gigs on weekends), and additionally I have been travelling and really busy.

Ok, to the business :-)
Here are the promised settings I use with my Tyros and PAS:
Very important: try the PAS preset #57!
Then, in the Tyros:
Equalizer:
Q:2,5
Freq: 225 Hz
4/3/2/6/8
Compressor: Punch preset
You can also try Gary's settings, they should work as well. Then set the PAS equalizer according to your tastes. The real important thing is that you choose an adequate PAS preset. I doubt you will be deceived with the results... You may not be very happy with the price, but that's another story :-) Good luck, and tell us about your experiences!

-- José.

Jose,.......I assume #57 is on the new Updated EQ's? why do you like this one so much? I havnt updated yet....Im using 05 for now.

Donny, as I mentioned here before, when I auditioned the PAS with my Tyros, I made certain I went out in stereo (2 separate KB LINE OUTS) to channels 1 & 2 IN's on the PAS. Even so, when playing the Yamaha 'stereo sampled' GRAND PIANO voice, it sounded horribly thin & brittle (due to efx phase cancellation) no matter which PAS preset I selected. In addition, everyone else in the room (including pro musicians) auditioning with me reached the same conclusion, assuming it was the classic effect of stereo phase cancellation.

Donny, if the Yamaha Tyros/PSR3000 stereo sampled "GRAND PIANO" really sounds as good as you claim on the PAS now, then there definitely has got to have been a major Bose PAS 'OS upgrade' instituted between the time I auditioned the unit 1-1/2 years ago (which I assume included the original OS) and yours (of which amazingly doesn't even include the latest OS upgrade preset #57 which José recommends).

José, many thanks for posting both the PAS & Tyros settings you used to achieve optimal results.

Ok guys, I'm anxious to go back and give the Bose PAS yet another audition now. Unfortunately, even if I'm impressed this time, I probably have to wait awhile b4 buying it, as $2,000.00 is a bit beyond my current equipment budget.

Scott

Scott, I said in the MIX the Grand Piano sounds good as does all the Styles, Smf, Mp3's and this is with my EQ's on the PAS, 3K, & Winamp player its this combo of EQ's that make it sound good to my ears....You really have to get into the EQing and juggle your settings to achieve the best sound for you. Your one of the few that has a negative PAS opinion and that is your right if I remember corectly I hated the sound of the Motion Sound 100 Amp so go figure...I could not give you a opinion yet on just the Piano alone maybe in time I can down the road wen I get more into it.....all I know the PAS sounds very very good and thats the bottom line for me at any price.

take care



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Hi Donny. Yes, #57 corresponds to the new presets. My european version of the PAS came already with presets version 2. I didn't have to update at all. Why do I like it? Because it sounds so good! I'm not sure what this preset 'hides' exactly, but the equalization seems to me a typical 'loudness' setting. Based on Gary's and Eddie's advice (both tried presets 1 and 2), it might be a good idea to upgrade, Donny.

I now use the PAS exclusively in my gigs, and am seriously thinking in selling my other PA. My former problems in not obtaining the best results were due to inadequate gain settings. Undeniably there is a certain 'fashion factor' in the success that a PAS user has in his gigs. This thing looks beautiful, is original and raises the curiosity of the audiences. But it also has intrisic qualities. The sound is clear and the dispersion in the room - the strongest quality of this sound system - is fantastic, unlike anything that I've tried before.

Scott, you're welcome. Give it a try again, even if you don't buy it immediately. I started saving money to buy it, some time ago. Make sure that you try presets version 2. As I said before, it is possible that you think the grand piano is at most comparable to what you have with your powered EVs. And the sound fidelity of the PAS is very good but take note that there are other sound systems that have a comparable intrinsic sonic quality for much less money. However there are other unique factors that make the PAS worth the money: incredible sound dispersion, portability, elegance.

Sorry for taking so long to answer. I've been in Spain for some days, and I'm currently working with collegues in a university in the south of Portugal. But I have a gig this Saturday, 700 kms from where I am now, and it's damn hot around here: 42º Celsius (around 108 fahrenheit!). No air conditioned in my car...

-- José.

My local pro sound shop mentioned that the people they know who has purchased the Bose system always use a standard speaker like a SX300 for the throw... From what he said , the Bose seems to drop out after 15 ft or so. It can not make it to the back of the room?

Is there any truth to this?

Unequivable,hogwash. This is one of the magor strongpoints.I use mine with a 20 piece band and I have to watch it and not try to compensate as before. The drop off at 15 feet is 10-15%,then even for the 150 feet I need to reach.

The beauty of it is you don't blast the people near you to reach everyone else.
Bernie

TOTAL BS

Excactly.....you cannot think like conventional speakers using the PAS its a different animail

In a small, intimate room of 60 or so people, drop off is not a factor.

In larger venues, yes, there is minimal drop off at around 15 ft. But, compare this to conventional systems and you are back to the same ol' problem of too loud up front...not loud enough in the back.

Until you experiment with presets, EQs and placment of the PAS on stage, you can't appreciate what it can do for you.

Eddie

Yes Eddie I have noticed this in my trial runs with the PAS.....in your above statement is where the "MAGIC" lies.........it sought of fills & spreads around the room like a CEILING HOUSE SPEAKER SYSTEM with music everywhere instead of it being projected all from the front in a big Burst.....hard to explain & has to be heard for sure.

So could I get away with using the PAS double bass system with a arranger, guitar, and up to 3 vocalist, in a backyard wedding situation and have ample volume?

How would it compare to the Logitech z-5500?

When would the PAS system not work and I had to bring out the 2 12" and horns on a stick?

Frankie,

The Bose would rock the place! The Z-5500 system is great, but it's still a conventional sound system. The Bose PAS is anything but conventional.

I just got home from Donny Pesce's Thursday Night Dance Club where DNJ used the PAS for the first time in front of a live audience of about 250 people. The volume throughout the room was equal, clear, crisp, lots of wonderful sounds and there were lots of folks raving about the how great the music sounded tonight. The dancefloor was packed, everyone was having a great time and while I only could stay for the first hour, it really sounded inpressive. After a 3 hour drive home I'm pretty worn out and gonna hit the sack. Photos to come tomorrow.

Gary

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OMG!!!! I am now a believer in the Bose PAS!
After an awesome nite on stage using the PAS I can truly say its the best sound system I have ever heard or used. Simply fantastic......I got so many comments from my fans too. Its hard to explain but easy to understand once you hear it for sure.....Its was great spending the day with Gary & his lovely wife Carol. Im sure gary will have a full report with some pics asap also...


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Well you guys have not steered me wrong yet. I will take a trip today to see how this thing sounds and if you guys think it can handle a 3 to 4 piece band for up to 200 people, i think i'm a buying

Hi All
Wersi Germany has just started updating their web site ready for the launch of the new OAS 7 software (Major Upgrade) for their Arrangers, Organs and Piano’s, also on the site is a link to the Bose PAS web site, which Wersi are promoting as ideal for stage use with there Arrangers etc.
As Wersi do not skimp with sound systems when promoting their instruments on stage, it looks like the PAS is definitely something special.

Bill

Frankie,

Keep in mind that you can buy the system directly from Bose with a 45-day, no-questions-asked return policy. You will be amazed at how effecient the system is, the quality of the sound and area of coverage.

The best advice I, and many other users, can give you is to follow the instruction manual, paticularly when it comes to properly setting up the levels. This is very important in determining the coverage area and the sound quality. Once those levels are set, you'll never have to touch them again.

Also download the OS and Preset upgrades and install them per the download instructions--What a difference!

Good Luck,

Gary

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Frankie
Your application of the PAS is going to be a bit more complex than a OMB situation. Of the 4 inputs, only 2 are adjustable by presets. With 3 vocalists, you will need a mixer and have to find one preset that suits all their voices the best. Same goes for the mulitple instruments you want to run through it.

Channels 3 & 4 are "flat" (not customizable by presets) and best used for pre-mixed, pre-processed, pre-recorded music such as mp3s and CDs.

Eddie

The PAS is still amazing me. I just completed a five gig stint this week each a different venue and the Bose system just rose to the occasion every single time...coverage is fantastic...yesterday I performed at an outdoor fair for about 800 1000 people in 100 degree heat, with ponie rides, food concessions, dancers, BBq, classic cars, rides etc etc ...I was under a canopy and the PAS covered the area almost the size of a football field very effeciently for sure. It seems the more space you give the PAS the more it breaths and covers the area. Im glad I bought it and Im very happy with its performance, not to menton all its benefits vs a conventional two or three speaker PA system.
Save your pennies & get one you wont be sorry.

I just had to try the Bose pas after all I've read about it here and other places. I'll admit it is clear and spreads the sound around nicely but I find that my brain just doesn't work the same if I don't hear stereo seperation.

Maybe it's from spending so many hours (more like years) listening to and tweaking synth programs...

What we do is so personal and everyone here is unique in their style, guess it takes different things to keep us all happy. I love reading this forum and respect your opinions and what you do cause i've been with a long time and I know how much it takes to stay with it!

I thought the same way until I started gigging on stage with the PAS and have since overcome those "Stereoitis" feelings.......but I now,[not that I didnt before] enjoy all the many alcolades recieved from my audiences about the fabulous sound, & ease of transport, although If you used two seperate PAS towers in Stereo could be mind boggling...

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Ha!! What a great word! "Stereoitis"
I guess that's what I have Dnj

Hey Donny

It's good to see you're happy with your new Bose. That's some pretty impressive info on how it covers a large area with a ton of people and outside yet! I will definitely be looking forward to trying one (or two, hehe) of these out.

Best
Scott

I did have my reservations in the begining before I heard,played, & finally purchased The PAS but, Uncle Dave told me to trust him on this system and Im so glad I did.......its everything he said and more.....its a great concept all around for the gigging musician, Im really enjoying it.

Would this BOSE PAS system be suitable for keyboard + vocals + trumpet?...

I'm confused about having different sound sources on one system.

Thanks in advance

Luis Santos

Luis,

The answer to your question is very simple: you live close to the portuguese Bose distributor. It's located in the "Zona Industrial da Maia", and ABC is the name of the company. They have an elegant room with a nice sample of Bose products. Among them, the PAS. They will welcome you, and your musicians, for an extensive audition. That's what I did with my Tyros. I came back one week later to purchase it. Give them a call. Don't forget to bring a mixer, cables and mic(s) with you.

I had two other outdoor jobs this weekend, and I fully confirm Donny's observations. The PAS covers an impressive area; I had people dancing to the sound of my music 70/80 meters away from the spot in which I was playing. My public finds it hard to believe that that "small thing" is making all that sound. At least part of the explanation for these sound projection properties - the cylindrical sound waves versus spherical sound waves - has been given in another thread by Paul C. : http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/011300.html

-- José.

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EXCACTLY... enjoy your PAS Jose

Louis,

This past weekend I had an outdoor job where I was performing beneath a massive pavilion for about 200 people. It was at a seaside state park where there were other folks swimming in Chesapeake Bay approximately 150 to 200 meters away. The crowd was a bit noisy, but I never exceeded the 1/3 volume level on the PAS remote's master volume. The hookup included a pair of mics, including my mic which was fired directly through the keyboard, and a second guest mic for a Sinatra impersonator. At the end of the 4 hour job, both the people in the pavilion and on the beach said how wonderful the music sounded. Some of those bathing in Chesapeake Bay came up and asked if I would be performing there regularly and asked for business cards. The hookup included two mics, the keyboard, and there was a third guest mic so the venue's director could make announcements. A couple mics, a keyboard and a trumpet would be child's play for the PAS.

Good Luck,

Gary

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Gary,
I can understand how the PAS can project 70-80 meters away with good clarity, but I can't understand how the low frequencies from the sub can get projected that far without the front of the audience being overwhelmed by sub. Did you have two subs on your PAS? Can you tell me how well the sub frequencies do over distance?

Thx, Russ

O.K. Be honest, guys. How easy is set-up and transport? How long does it take. Seems like a lot of wires to me.
DonM

Don...
Set up for me takes about 18-20 minutes.
Two wires out of KB to Channels 1&2 on the Bose base. 1 wire from the remote to the base.
1 wire from my Nomad to the base channel 3.
1 audio wire from the base to the sub.
Plug my mic into back of kb... and ac for the kb and base. That's it.

All the wires that go from the kb and mp3 player to the Bose are in a cable wrap...so its just like one cable with 4 connectors at each end.

As Donny, Gary and others have stated, it is about as easy a set up as any of us have used...ever.

Eddie

MORE MUSIC TO THE POUND

The PAS base weighs in at 38 lbs.
The two cylindrical speakers (the poles) weigh 15 lbs each.
The sub is 28 lbs. The remote is...I don't know,...maybe 1/2 lb.

Eddie

Don.....Eddie is Spot On!!

Got to say I too was a little concerned on how this thing would work, but I played this weekend outside, with G70 with a mic going through it, a guitar player, with vocal mic, a female singer, a sax player, with minidisk playback, and a midijay, all on a double bass unit, worked great, selling my carvin mixer and speakers, going to keep my logitech z5500 for studio listening and sub

Frank glad to see the PAS is workng out for you.....Good Luck

For most jobs, I place the sub directly in front of the keyboard, and the sub is facing sideways. Those low frequency sounds seem to be equally disbursed as the mids and highs.

Set up time for me is a bit less than Eddie, but this may be the way I have all my cables harnessed. Average time is less than 15 minutes, and most of the time about 12 minutes--just a few minutes longer than the Barbettas and Logitechs. If I get a chance later tonight, I'll shoot a photo of the wiring harness I'm using, which may shed some light on how I assemble the system.

Gary

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Gary, you mentioned placing the sub sideways, is this for more bass or a more dispersed bass?

I thought direct fire would give a better snap, but I guess sideways would let the wave develop further and give more of a room filling sound.

Am I close?

Not only that, it prevents a beer from being tossed directly into the front port. :-)

Frankie,

When facing forward it seems to have a lot more power, however, when facing sideways it appears to be more evenly disbursed and a bit less in your face kind of bass. Naturally, this will vary with different sizes and shapes of venues, and the type of music you're performing.

Cheers,

Gary

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Hi Russ,
I'm not Gary, but I'd like to tell you about my 'mixed feelings' and my own conclusion on this matter. My first impression was that indeed the low frequencies' decay with distance is signicantly greater than mids' and highs'. This was in a open field with no fixed structures (wall, etc) to 'encapsulate' (I hope you understand me) the subwoofer. My first thought was that I maybe should get the second sub for outdoor venues. However I had experiences that contradict my first impression. I had the PAS in a sort of long gallery with walls and a wood ceiling around, projecting the sound to an open field. My clear impression is that the low freqs. were much more present in the overall sound at considerable distance. Of course this is not intrinsically achieved by the sound system itself but with the help of structures around. I have another job in the place I just described next saturday, and I'll shoot some pics, to help you understand the situation. My present conclusion is that the location of the subwoofer is extremely important to efficiently project low frequencies at long distances.

-- José.

Don,
This has been answered but I'll add a couple of words. My reference - my previous PA - is a 600 watt HK Lucas PA, composed by three pieces: two 8'' passive satellites (8 Kg each) and one 15'' sub box with all the electronics inside (one 300 watt amplifier for the sub, two 150 Watt amps for satelittes, crossovers, etc). This box has 35 kg and - hopefully! - wheels but despite this it's highly transportable. Two speaker stands are needed plus cables.
The PAS has more pieces and not much less overall weight, but the weight is better splitted in easier to carry pieces. It fits much better in my car, has more power and better sound projection. Setup time is about the same as my previous sound system; about the same as Eddie's.

-- José.

Don...Its a snap to set up and take down...the poles just snap into each other & the base unit.
no more speaker stands, no more lifting heavy speakers on poles, just make a wire harness with Radio Shack plastic wire wrap and this keeps all cables, neat and fast to setup including the KB.

I just had the time to download the Bose PAS 2.0 upgrade.......I proceded to audition #57 preset EQ ........honestly its too Low end..too much bass even if you roll off the low end EQ....
#05 is the best for my setup so far...

this unit simply kicks A$$



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 08-25-2005).]

Are you using 57 for a mic or your keyboard?

Frank...I run the mic Thru the KB.