Scott,

The PSR9k has this Dynamic/Groove feature but I have never used it yet. Does anyone have experience using it on the 9k? You can change the rhythmic "feel" of your original style.

donny

I do what DonM do.I take the manuals to the bathroom only.I love to figure out every thing by my own brain just like trying to play a hard puzzle but at the end you'll get it and win it. cause people like "you" and me made this Keyboards and they come up with a new os's.so we are not that dumb to understand those keyboards .even if it takes time you "will" get it any way at the end weather you like it or not.

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DNJ,
The Dynamic/Groove function on the PSR is different from the Dynamic Arranger referred to above.
Some Technics, Roland and Korg (there are probably others) have the capacity to change the style in reaction to key pressure. By pressing harder on the chord, extra parts are added, or parts are changed. The PA-80 I just sold had that function, as did one of the Technics. I can't remember if was the KN2000 or 5000.
The Dynamic/Groove function on the 9000 allows you to take an existing style, put it in Style Edit mode, select "Groove" and change the timing of the style according to the parameters you select. Thus, a 4/4 beat can become a shuffle and vice-versa. The 9000 allows extensive editing in this mode. The result can be saved as a Custom Style.
The PSR740 has a button that automatically changes the groove on the style in use. The paramaters are not easily editable as they are in the 9000, but the function is completely automatic and effectively doubles the number of available styles. (All the styles are not conducive to using this function, but a good many of them are.). One of my favorite and most used styles in the PSR8000 is one I made by simply changing the Groove of the Country Swing I, to 4/4. To makes a great Country Ballad. I also did that with the 9000, and stored the result as a user style in the unit that you now have. Don't remember what I named it, and it may have been deleted by you or Uncle Dave by now.
DonM

I get so many new keyboards at my store that I always read the "feature" page to see what's inside and then play a few styles and sounds first and then I try to read the manual while it lies on top of the keyboard and it always gets in my way. I would use the music racks, but all the manuals keep closing by themselves. The only ones that don't are the Generalmusic ( three ring binder) and the Korg (also a binder).
My worst experience ever was with the MZ2000 which was on loan from Casio a few months ago. I read parts of the manual 4 and 5 times and still couldn't figure anything out! Frustrated and confused, I sent it back!
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene

The KN5000 does NOT have the Dynamic Arranger feature. It was on the 3000, but Technics dropped it. I'm not sure if it is back on the 6000/6500.
My Roland Em2000 has it (as does the G1000). The Korg pa80 does NOT have it.
What it does is to vary the accomp part volumes according to velocity. So, if you hit the left-hand chord hard, all 5 auto accomp parts play at full volume. A softer touch on the left chord might cause accomp1, and accomp2 to mute. On the Roland, you can set up exactly which accomp parts will be affected and what the volume levels should be as a result. It is an incredible feature - but require skill to use & patience to set up.
The pa80 does have what they call Dynamic Arrangement. But all it does is trigger a break, fill or style variation change according to the velocity of your left-hand chords. It is very much more limited than true Dynamic Accompaniment.
Tom

Yeah you're right about the PA-80. I'm getting senile. All it does is trigger the fills.
I think the Roland G800 had it, but I didn't ever get around to using it.
Thanks for waking me up.
DonM

[This message has been edited by DonM (edited 08-21-2001).]

Tom, Thanks for your EXCELLENT description of the Dynamic Arranger feature. Quite an interesting concept. To answer DanO's question about 'how important' (to me) the Dynamic arranger is: I would say it depended if you could turn this feature ON or OFF. The concept sounds intriguing but I wonder how much I would use it because I usually play in either full keyboard mode or split mode, with BOTH hands assigned to instrument sounds. I almost NEVER have the left hand (chord recognition area) part muted. I don't want the left hand volume changes to somehow cut out accompinment parts unexpectedly. Nontheless, this feature does sound like it could really enhance your performance if mastered. I'd be interested in hearing from other players out there that use this feature in their playing.

Just a followup to what Uncle Dave said on ANOTHER thread. I too prefer the 'minimalist' style (drums, bass, piano with vocals) arranger keyboard performance approach. The main reason I went with an arranger in the first place was for rhythm section (bass line and drums) support to my live singing & realtime keyboard comping/soloing. I could have just used a drum machine and synth (split mode) with bass sound in left hand and piano sound in right hand, but this arrangement of using the left hand for playing bass lines leaves ONLY the right hand for one hand piano comping. With the arranger (in full keyboard mode), I can play MORE full sounding 'two handed' keyboard comping chords while triggering the arranger to automatically play the bass lines. This sounds MUCH more like a REAL LIVE 3 piece rhtym secion (drums, bass, piano) would. I tend to prefer to keep other auto-accomp parts to a minumum as too much auto-accomp can make the performance sound unbelievable for a one band act, like you are playing with a karoke backup which is certainly NOT what I want. You NEVER want the auto-accomp parts to upstage your LIVE (playing/vocal) performance. If I want to step into the audience and sing solo (no keyboard playing), then the rules change and I'll use more elaborate full blown karoke type backup arrangements. Just my personal thoughts.

When I drove home with the keyboard in the car, still packed, I was thinking that I still had to work that day! When I got home.. I called my boss and asked the day off. I got that day off! He even said to me: 'Have fun!'. After that I didn't stop playing the board and reading the manual till about midnight. Still love it to play it everyday.

Sander
The Netherlands

Well, when I brought home my WK8, my wife had just come down with the flu and was wrapped up with blankets on the couch. I set it up in the living room and began playing some of the softer 8 and 16 beat styles just making up silly love songs for her. Poor thing was feeling so bad yet she just smiled cause she knew I was happy with my new toy and drifted off to sleep. Some of you guys can really shake the dance floor and get the crowd up and moving. Me, I put em' to sleep.

First thing I do, is set the thing up and play. Check sounds, styles, feel, features.
Then after a while, I start reading the manual. You always find some cool gadgets in there that you would have never used otherwise. I have to agreen with scot on this.

And yes, i do use the dynamic arranger on my g1000 on occasion. It takes some practise but it sounds real good, specially with rolands acoustic styles.