If the number of keys have so high impact on price it is then strange that the Tyros 2 is arround 500 Euro more expensive than the PA1X Pro and the G-70.

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[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 06-28-2006).]

Wait a minute,
The Tyros 2 cost more than the G70 and the Korg?

If that is the case, then Yamaha does not have a price argument as to why they are not making a high-end 76 key arranger.

If Yamaha’s high-end arranger (Tyros 2) is 61 keys and cost more than its comparable competition which has 76 keys, then there is really no excuse for Yamaha not to make a 76 key Tyros 2.

Yes the Tyros 2 is a great product, has great sounds and styles but so does the Roland and Korg. Each of them has features that the others do not have.


Yamaha is just not willing to make a high-end 76 key arranger.
And we know that because there is really no reason for them not to.

I don't know Ian...to me it's an over priced toy[Tyros2]...feels like one...looks like one...Compared to the Korg, the Pa1x[speakerless model] just feels and looks like a top pro arranger...and although I havn't checked out the Roland[G70], I believe it will surpass the Yamaha in quality...

I also think you get what you pay for......in my case it will not be a Tyros2

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[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 06-28-2006).]

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[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 06-28-2006).]

As I respect yours also..

Ian, I actually am not that interested in buying anything new right now[arrangers]...What I have...suits my needs.

As for a brand , I am open minded..

Korg's operating system annoys me..

Yamaha's quality of the past, give me problems, as well as the key feel..

Ketron was not user friendly enough for my variable playing style..

Genesys[Gem] lacked some sounds that I need, and was a little pricey..It was feature laden though..

Now roland, giving it's past products most likely would be my choice...probably the best Key action in the business...VK organ mode for starters...

When I feel the need to change or add to my set up,, I will travel the3 hours [one way] to check it out...For now it is not important to me....

As always we all have different views..you have expressed yours and I, mine...It's not a right or wrong thing...

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[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 06-28-2006).]

with e60 pricing somewhere close to psr3000, i see no competition for roland. yamaha should produce something pretty amazing in order to beat this. remember the new e60 is pretty much a g70 with no harmonist.
would yamaha produce a "pretty much" tyros2 below 1500 euro? and 76 keys? and well build?
i always thought yamaha was overpriced. is ok for them, the buyers made it like that, being ready to spend alot of money for average quality instruments. no way they will change this, why should they? as long as people continue to buy yamaha because they are easy to use and understand, everybody's happy. yamaha a little bit happier then buyers.

but we're out of topic by little...

[This message has been edited by adimatis (edited 06-26-2006).]

Probably the thing that Yamaha could drop to bring the price of a 76-er into line would be the Sampler and maybe the HD recording. In all fairness, how much usage do these get by the average user?? And how much better are alternatives?

Definitely, few pros are going to record at 16bit any more, yet alone the lack of ease compared to even a decent laptop and interface, and I can't even remember the last post about using the Tyros2's sampler........ Just how long DOES it take to load up a maxed out Tyros2 using USB??

Remember, at the time of the Tyros1's introduction, the keyboard to beat was the Roland G1000. A 76 note arranger, around 40lbs. Where Yammie got the figures that a 76-er was not popular enough to make, beats me.

Must have used the Bush team to do the counting.........