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#139079 - 10/26/07 01:29 PM Need info on G1000 floppy drive
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
A friend has a G1000 that the floppy is playing up on. He bought some kind of new generic replacement, but has had no luck getting it to work well.

Does anyone know where you can still get compatible floppy drives for the G1000?

USA, preferably...

Thanks.
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#139080 - 10/26/07 02:08 PM Re: Need info on G1000 floppy drive
jedi Offline
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Hi Diki,

It could be the jumper setting is wrong on the replacement.

If you just want to find a new one , here is a link:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...y%20drives&mnf=
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?cat=630&keywords=floppy%20drives&mnf=

Good luck !
Gary

[This message has been edited by jedi (edited 10-26-2007).]

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#139081 - 10/26/07 03:48 PM Re: Need info on G1000 floppy drive
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14312
Loc: NW Florida
Thanks, Gary, but those links just sent me to generic Floppies (the first was just external USB's, not what the G1000 takes, the second to generic IDE's).

Now if a generic floppy WILL work, anyone know what the jumpers ARE supposed to be set to?

I was under the impression that G1000's used a specific type of floppy, that kept spinning all the time and didn't spin down.

If anyone HAS successfully changed out a G1000 floppy, would they mind posting their results?

Thanks...
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#139082 - 10/26/07 04:16 PM Re: Need info on G1000 floppy drive
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Registered: 11/17/99
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Diki,
As far as I can remember the floppydis of the rolands (G800 and G1000) have one pin more as a regular floppy drive, also it was wired different.
The info was on the former R.A.G. list, but I cannot find that site anymore.
Your best bet is Fran, He might have the info.

Fred
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#139083 - 10/30/07 05:36 AM Re: Need info on G1000 floppy drive
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Registered: 03/02/02
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Most "standard" floppy drives out there are configured for a PC and there's no jumpers to play with.

I've had a trawl around to see if there are any hints as to the exact format of the Roland G1000 Floppy disc, to no great success. It might use a 1990's Apple Macintosh format disc, which a PC drive will not handle.

I had great fun a while back when my Ensoniq SD1 floppy disc broke because Ensoniq used to use a floppy disc format of their own concoction (that again may have had some reasemblance to a Mac disc format). I ended up using a Teac FD235HF/F-3xxx floppy drive; I think they are still available.

The point about this floppy disc is that it has jumpers for everything; if you can't persuade this floppy disc to act like your original one then I would think there's no hope other than Roland.

This link
http://www.teac.com/DSPD/pdf/3fd0020a.pdf
is to TEACs PDF of the jumper settings for this drive.

If you decide to try one of these drives double-check the exact model number you are getting, you need the -3xxx version.
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#139084 - 10/30/07 05:41 AM Re: Need info on G1000 floppy drive
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The fact that none of the various reviews or comments on the web, nor Rolands information, proclaim "PC compatible floppy disc" could be significant!
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#139085 - 10/30/07 06:31 AM Re: Need info on G1000 floppy drive
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Loc: Preston, Lancashire, England
I stubled across this document via the Synthzone archive of the "Roland Arrangers Group" data: http://web.archive.org/web/20040627121722/http://www.daytonamusic.com/rag/faq.htm#Disk%20operations

It states:

Q: Can't I substitute a regular PC floppy drive for the keyboard's drive?

A: Not likely. Roland employs an "enhanced" floppy drive (Chinon FZ-357) in their arrangers, capable of doing things like signaling a disk insertion to the keyboard and continually spinning even when not being accessed. Although the drive connections appear identical to the PC's, there seems to be different wirings and additional signals used by the keyboard. Anyhow, if you can purchase a drive from a Chinon rep (about $150) it will still be a lot cheaper than going directly to Roland (up to $300 as reported in the group).

I've just done a quick Google for Chinon FZ-357. And ... it seems you can use these to fix Ensoniq Mirages; the alternative fix being a Teac! This document http://www.flippers.com/TEAC_FD235_jumper_pins.htm gives both sets of settings and so might help in setting up the Teac by cross-comparison.
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#139086 - 10/30/07 06:38 AM Re: Need info on G1000 floppy drive
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So I tried another Google for the Chinon and found this which might just be the answer...
http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/fdrive.html
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#139087 - 10/30/07 06:42 AM Re: Need info on G1000 floppy drive
MacAllcock Offline
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Registered: 03/02/02
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Quote:
Originally posted by MacAllcock:
So I tried another Google for the Chinon and found this which might just be the answer...
http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/fdrive.html


This gives the settings that keep the drive spinning, which smells to me like the critical point. However, these instructions set the drive to Double Density ; I would set the drive to be High Density instead for use in the G1000.
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