I was curious about the use of velcro on keyboards to secure things into place. My main questions are: If you remove it later to say sell your keyboard does it mar the finish (especially these dang silver painted jobs)? And, what happens if it is left outside in the car in the heat and sun (I live in Florida, whew)

If this does not cause a finish problem later I am tempted to try it. What do you say??

Scott Langholff

I haven't experienced velcro ruining the finish of the keyboard. You can get Goo Off, and I think that this will take off the sticky residue.

I would worry about destroying the keyboard by leaving it in the car - not melting the velcro. I would not leave the keyboard in the passenger compartment where there is the sun and the greenhouse effect. In the trunk, you shouldn't have problems with the keyboard or with the velcro melting.

What do you want to velcro to the keyboard, a picture of your fiance or your electric toothbrush holder?

Beakybird

Beakybird

lol

hmmmm..but, what about the Goo gone. I'm wondering how strong this might be on the finish. Or are you the one that said you don't have the silver model, but the grey one instead.

Scott

Mine is gray. I guess I haven't found out if the finish will be ruined. The utility of the velcro is so important to me that I don't really care if there is some damage.

I pulled back some old velcro from my PSR2000 just now, and the finish is just the same as anywhere else on the keyboard.

Don't worry be sticky.

Vini, vicci, velcro, Latin for I came, I saw, I stuck around.

Beakybird

OK Beakybird, now for the BIG question. Do I get the industrial stength velcro, or the regular.

Scott

Actually I'm going to put a mirror on my keyboard so I can admire myself.

This velcro thread has gotten pretty sticky! (:rolleyes)
Has anyone ever tried using that rubbery, waffley stuff that is used to keep things from sliding around. You can buy it in a roll, a sheet or even as coasters. It works great. I put a piece between my 2k and the SC88 and it keeps the SC in place all night.
So, unless you need that velcro to stick your drink to the side of the keyboard, maybe you could try something that doesn't glue down.

Cass

[This message has been edited by cassp (edited 05-28-2003).]

I've used both, and on both types of finishes. Regular Velcro seems to work just fine on black finishes, and I've been using it to hold a small, custom-made, volume control on the left side of my PSR-740 for more than a year with no adverse affects.

I tried attaching the PSR-2000's power supply to the back of the keyboard, just to get it out of the way and off the floor. Unfortunately, the heat generated from the power pack caused the Velcro's adhesive to deteriorate and one night during a gig, the power-pack dropped to the floor. Apparently, the adhesive cannot tollerate heat at all and the adhesives eventually fail. As for leaving residue, goo remover worked just fine to remove the residue from the 2000 without any apparent damage to the keyboard's finish. However, after reading the warning label, I would suggest using the solvent sparingly.

Good Luck,

Gary

For the odd items that I have attached to my board (Silver 9000pro) I have used Blu tack. Don't know if you have that in the USA (it is like plasticine but cleaner and more adhesive).

Obviously it won't hold anything too heavy (Scott's mirror should be fine tho ) but the odd sheet of music etc is no problem. Comes off clean as a whistle as well.

If I have unplugged any cables from the back for any reason I usually stick them to the top of the board with a blob of blu tack so they don't drop down the back (saving my back in the process )Then I can just plug them back in when I am ready!

Tony (tip number 24 in a series of 432 )

I use velcro in one of my racks to stick my sound canvas.Ihave recently removed velcro from a piece of equipment that I was selling and there was no damage. I live in st,petersburg, Florida and keep some equipment in my mini van. I park it under an awning and I have had no problems. Were in Florida are you located Scott?

BTW. WD-40 oil is great for removing any
sticky residue without marring finishes.
You must use a very small amount with a
rag(otherwise your gear will smell like
WD-40).

Tony: " (Scott's mirror should be fine tho)" lol

Terry: Pensacola

I am actually wanting to get a paint match from Home Depot (per DonnyP), and/or put velcro or something over a spot that has worn though the silver finish between the keys and the screen. I put my thumb there to pivot my hand around to operate the buttons around the screen. Seems to be quicker and more accurate, not to mention I am sure I use a lot less pressure on those buttons than if done free hand.

I am also considering going to an auto paint shop and let them do it professionally. Then it would be nice if I could put something clear over this area so I could still see the silver. But the main thing is I want something that looks nice and if I want to take it off to sell it later it looks good and doesn't take off the finish.

Scott Langholff

1. That sticky waffle stuff is "Shelf Liner". It works VERY well to keep gear from sliding around, especially if you pile one unit on top of another (I have a ZIP Drive on top of a SCSI CD on top of a ham radio tranceiver next to my synths).

2. Blue tack does work quite well (but I recently discovered that it will not hold very well if you have it on a unit that gets hot (I tried attaching some halogen [IKEA] lamps to my 9k and the tack wouldn't hold them because of the vibration and heat). THIS STUFF, HOWEVER, WILL NEVER BUT NEVER LEAVE ANY MARKS OR REMOVE ANY PAINT (unless it was peeling beforehand anyway). I use it to hold a "glare screen" above the screen on my PSR-9000.

3. Velcro is great stuff (discovered in late 40's by a guy who got burrs stuck on his socks when hiking). If you fasten it with glue it will take off your finish. It does wear out eventually with continuous use (the curley nylon looses its curl).

Bob

The specific type of INDUSTRIAL strength velcro strips I prefer using are called 'snap mount' or 'dual lock' velcro fasteners because BOTH sides of the velcro strip are the same, and self mating into each other for a solid interlock. This proves far superior to standard velcro. On my Tyros and PSR2000, I use this type of velcro to attach a portable halogen light(Littlelite)
http://www.littlite.com/product.php?id=34

Works great. I'm not worried about having to remove it because it's functionality will be immediately appreciated by future keyboard owners as well I'm sure.

3M 'Duo Lock':
http://www.fastenation.com/duallock.tmpl?cart=10542209961429677

Scott

Ok. You guys got me so glued (gooed) on this issue that I just HAD to find out for myself what would happen if I tried Goo Gone
http://www.magicamerican.com/ggsl2big-b.jpg

to remove the velcro strip on my Yamaha Tyros.

GREAT NEWS! It completely removes the glue residue quickly & easily without affecting the silver paint finish whatsoever. I can atest that Goo Gone does not mar, discolor, or fade the surface of the Tyros keyboard in anyway. In fact, the Tyros keyboard silver color & surface now looks exactly the way it did BEFORE the velcro strip was attached. I recommend Goo Gone as a safe product to use on the Yamaha Tyros.

Scott

Scott,
You are toooo brave!!! A brand new Tyros and you tested the effects of Goo gone on it!!!

What would you have done if it had stained??? (I would have cried I don't mind admitting )

Very best to you
Tony

Scotty keep up posted about the paint on your Tyros if it happens to suddenly fade, smear, discolor or dissolve over time.


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Best regards,
Mike

I don't know if this would work instead of Goo Gone, but for many years I've been removing those annoying price stickers, which leave nasty smears especially on glass (i.e., picture frames) with Automotive Garage Hand Cleaner (comes in a big round plastic tub, like butter. Just a drop does the job really well.... Costs almost nothing and a tub, used for this purpose, will last a lifetime....

hi Tony, yeah I probably would have cried too, but even if it had stained the appearance (which I'm elated to say that it didn't), it would NOT have affected the single crucial aspect of the keyboard, it's SOUND; so decided it worth taking that risk to satisfy my insatiable curiousity. - Scott