U know what? The less we talk about features the less possibility that Yamaha would do anything about it.

I just hope that people like MusiMan and Co. (including myself) won't take everything that comes from Yamaha and Co. for granted. Otherwise they will think that everything they put in their arrangers is good for us and just stop improving it. So keep on speaking out!!

By the way: There are people out there like me who do use arrangers in the studio. Just keep it in mind. We just have to spend more money on other gear for the features we need. But why?

Can anyone who close to Yamaha management or Engineers can ask them why the hell they can't include arranger capabilities in any of their top non-arranger workstations? Or is it not a legitimate question?

I use all the boards I've had strictly for studio work and have never felt the need for digital and never has anyone said to me in 56 cd's man that sounds like crap did you use analog?
Terry

I use all the boards I've had strictly for studio work and have never felt the need for digital and never has anyone said to me in 56 cd's man that sounds like crap did you use analog? That includes other artisits, some of which are using digital I am sure, because we have spoken about it and the general buying public.
Terry

What I was trying to say is that for $3K keyboard they could've included digital I/O. That's it. For some people it's a MUST for others it's not.

I think is a great machine, if only they could've room for expansion OR up-to-date drums.

Now if I'll get one I will have to spend money on a drum machine (plus difital a/d). Not fair I think for a $3K board

NY,
I can't really disagree that the price of all arrangers are pretty high. I'd even go so far as to say at $3k they have reached my upper limit as far as perceived value by me. After this price bracket then they truly need to do a combo board that has everything on it that a great arranger and a great workstation have. Including what you have mentioned and for me an arppegiator would be a must have. I'm really not sure why an arranger should cost that much more than a workstation.
jam on,
Terry

The price of arrangers might seem ridiculously high, but bear in mind this isn't the materials cost we are talking about. The research and development that goes into these machines, the studio time for sampling all those instruments and the licensing of samples etc, the cost of creating custom i.c's for new machines ( I dont mean producing them), the specialised market output, its no wonder they have to keep them high in price. If more people bought them, the cost would come down. Consider the technology we get today and compare it to 20 years ago, there's a lot of bang for buck in these boxes!

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Simon,
I hear what you're saying.....but, following that logic, my PC should now cost about $50,000.00. While the amount of sales may be there, the increased complexities of programs, power, R&D, features etc, should have driven the price up substantially. The first calculator I ever bought (desktop) add subtract mulitply and divide (no tape)....cutting edge at the time was $100.00.....now for $6.00 or less, I can do scientific calculation, calculus, geometry on and on.

So along with the increase in the technology comes along a better cheaper way to build these things, keyboards should not be an exception. The workstations use these same expensive sampling methods as well.

Anyway, I am shelling out my money for the Tyros....but I do think they are at the very high end of "bang for the buck."
Terry

You know what, this thread has made me come to appreciate my beloved Trinity and Korg I30 so much. I think Korg almost had the perfect workstation with the trinity, Built in studio, Digital effects, insert effects, Hard disk, Digi out, etc etc, but for me, it lacked everything my Korg I30 has, an Arrangeer engine !! So here, this companys do this on purpose. They know that one product shall not cater to everyone, otherwise there goes their other products.
But I think that as of right now, I have the perfect setup. the powerful editing and beutiful sounds of the Trinity V3, and the Truly pro sounding Arrangements of my i30.
I have made songs, where people could swear I had a complete band recording in my studio. When I told them it was all done in my Workstation, they just could not believe me. I know this conversation is about the Tyros not having digital out, but in reality, its a conversation about why Yamaha continues the trend on why people see the Arrangers as toys and not professional products. Why, because companies like yamaha and others dont include all the Top of the line options that they include in their top of the line keyboards. Thats it really !!
Im perfectly happy recording from analog out or from Digital out. But if I had the choice, specially after forking out $3K then, I would definitely chose Digi out. Wouldnt you? Yes, of course.. The fact of the matter is that Yamaha just didnt care !!
I really hope Roland and Korg have something special up their sleeve this Winter !!!

Best,

Ditto!

That's exactly what I've said many times on this board.

I'd pay extra $2K for Triton if it'd included arranger on board.

Korg Yamaha and Co.: just create 2 versions of Triton. One is without an arranger ($2000 or whatever), the other - with an arranger ($3000).

Why to produce Pa PSR VA and other stuff when you've created the best already?????

What exactly, is the best already? The Triton? I don't think so.