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#158168 - 02/17/03 01:04 PM Very Light 9000
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Ever since I started reading this forum, everyone has made comments about the excessive weight of the 9000. Approx 50 lbs.

Well I decided to gut a 9000 and see what it would weigh if it were similarly equiped as the Tyros. I removed the speakers and cabinets,(lots of weight right there)the cabinets are quite oversized for what is in there. I hope the plan was to provide better bass response with a large empty wooden cabinet, I personally think they might have tried a different avenue. Anyway I'm digressing. I also removed the heavy amplifier and the accompaning transformer to power the darn speaker system. I removed all unecessary (my opinion as to whether it was necessary ot not)metal cabinetry housing the other required transformers and voila...! A very light PSR 9000 that you can now pack under one arm and .....OH WAIT! Did you want to be able to hear the darn thing? Well I better bring my PA, Speakers, Tripods, Snake, Amp Stand and whatever else a fellow needs for gig'n. I managed to get the 9000 down to a whopping 30 lbs. Still not a Tyros. If thats what a fellow was all concerned about, (weight that is) this is a viable alternative to spending another large chunk of change. Oh well...

Here's to experimenting. It's what keeps driving us to have the latest and greatest!

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Dennis Almond
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#158169 - 02/17/03 01:32 PM Re: Very Light 9000
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Interesting. So how much total weight are we carting around to do a gig ? My 9000 Pro is 45 lbs and I am currently using a Motion Sound KP-200s stereo keyboard amplifier at 55 lbs so that's 100 lbs. With stand, bench and cables I'm probably somewhere around 150 lbs.
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#158170 - 02/17/03 07:44 PM Re: Very Light 9000
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Well, I guess that is at the heart of this issue. People don't like how heavy the 9000 is. I agree that the thing is heavy. However, too heavy is purely speculative. Depending on what it is you plan on using the 9000 for the weight may be very light considering what you would have to carry along with aahhh... say a TYROS. So it all really comes down to a matter of what you perceive to be heavy. Like I said earlier. It really isn't to hard to shave twenty pounds off of the 9000. I have all the pictures documenting the break down of the various components inside the unit. I think almost anybody could accomplish the project, if having a lighter 9000 was a high priority in their life.

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Dennis Almond
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#158171 - 02/17/03 09:33 PM Re: Very Light 9000
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When did musician's become whimps? People, you are complaining about a 50lb keyboard, not to long ago keyboardist where carrying around B3's, CP70's with anvil cases, keyboards like the emulator, synclaviar, Organs like the VOX, Rhodes, wurly's... Geez, people get a grip... 50lbs is what some people carry around just in cables. Or am I all wet?
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#158172 - 02/17/03 10:50 PM Re: Very Light 9000
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Man... Thats what I'm talkin' bout!
Remember the days of getting your buddy to help with that wonderful suitcase piano. Rhodes was the thing you had to have if you were anybody. I'm pretty sure that weighed a little more than 50 pounds. I remember there was no way I was carrying that thing anywhere by myself. Sure the 9000 is heavier than the 2000 or the 740 or the Tyros or a host of other keyboards. However, when it was produced it was herald as a great tool for musicians allowing them a multitude of advanced features. I guess it's the case of, things never being good enough. My goodness we clamour over a keyboard that weighs 50 pounds while we drag around our speakers that weigh almost double that. My Yamaha 15" with 12" horns must be in the neighborhood of 80 pounds. Try putting those on tripods by yourself.
Anyway... this business or hobby or ministry or whatever your doing it for is not the instrument of thin air. Remember our roots are in the Heavy acoustic piano realm. You want light weight, get a harmonica or a kazoo. Thats where I weigh in. IMHO

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Dennis Almond
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#158173 - 02/18/03 02:29 AM Re: Very Light 9000
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Quote:
Originally posted by TwoNuts:
. My goodness we clamour over a keyboard that weighs 50 pounds while we drag around our speakers that Weigh almost Double that. My Yamaha 15" with 12" horns must be in the neighborhood of 80 pounds. Try putting those on tripods by yourself.


Very True statement....if needed there are many "Lift Helper" alternatives also like a ...Rock & Roller Cart, Speaker Stands that Rachet up to height, Cases with wheels, etc. to make your life easier on the road.

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#158174 - 02/18/03 06:19 AM Re: Very Light 9000
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It's not just a matter of being wimps though - it's not very practical to damage your back for the sake of a relatively small paycheck compared to a life of pain. My family has back problems and then last year I pulled a back muscle with a Kurzweil PC88 in a flight case (88 lbs). I realized that I had to get down closer to "UPS standards" for cartage or risk serious injury. So it's very practical to be concerned with weight. We're fortunate to live in a time when technology has given us lighter options.
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#158175 - 02/18/03 06:26 AM Re: Very Light 9000
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One other note: my closest freind - a keyboardist - was putting some heavy speakers up on tripods for a gig four years ago. He had just finished setting the speakers on their stands when he suffered a fatal heart attack. He was only 45.
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#158176 - 02/18/03 06:50 AM Re: Very Light 9000
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I hope in the future someone invents a
Pro QUALITY SPEAKER system thats super light weight without compromise to sound.
Look what they have done with TV's and monitors etc,regarding Flat Panels and Plasma Screens in the last few years why not with Speakers also somehow. Even Power Amps are so much Lighter [Rack versions]come to mind. We used to have Heavy Tube amps....now we have lightweight circuit boards.
We'll wait and see.

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#158177 - 02/18/03 08:19 AM Re: Very Light 9000
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Weight is very important to me. Because I DID lift heavy speakers, organs, etc. for years, my back is if bad shape. Also I have an umbilical hernia (like DNJ and several others) that needs to be fixed.
I have three sets of speakers right now. The heaviest are JBL Eon powered 15's and they are only 39 pounds each. I also have the Peavey Escort system that is wonderful for small jobs. The PSR2000 is the lightest keyboard I've ever owned. The PA80 was also light. They CAN be made good and light and the same time. I had a G800, and the PSR9000. They are manageable, but I much prefer the boards that are half the weight.
DonM
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