I saw on a dutch forum that several keyboard
players do not believe what Roel said in his
messages. He is negative for personal reasons
when he talks about the G70. They doubt that
he had really a G70.
MikeTV seems an expert but he is not! He is
telling things which are not true.
Do not let them cheat you and wait untill you
can play the G70 with your own hands.
There are no bad topkeyboards to day.
I am not a keyboardseller only a keyboard-
lover and I hate lies about newcomers in the
market.

Well said Bevan. I agree with you some guys
or girls here are like politicians before
an election. You can not trust them allways.

Well put Bevan, let's all keep an open mind and find out for ourselves what pleases us most. It's far too easy to jump into conclusions only on the basis of what a few people say. Especially while you have the opportunity to check things out yourself (now or in a few weeks time in other countries).

By the way, I have also been following the reports that are posted on this Dutch forum and by now a few more people have the G-70 delivered. They tell us unanimously that they cannot confirm any of the negative comments. Their first impressions all seem to be very positive.

For the record: I am no Roland employee or shop-owner. In fact I play a Technics at the moment .
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Tom NL

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The People you mentioned above are trustworthy..we all draw our opinions..it doesn't make the product right or wrong...I do agree with you about waiting too try the G70 for ourselves..Personally, I am sure the G70 will be a great board..
We often jump to conclusions with our first impressions..I did it with the VA-7, after I bought one, I sold it because it didn't do the job the way my G1000 did...Later I bought a version2 VA-7, and forced myself to use the goodies beneath the surface,,,and I loved it...I actually sold it to make room for a G70..

Fran, you sold your VA-7 already and you have set your mind on the G-70? You must have a great confidence in Roland!
Does that mean you are without keys at the moment? If so, that must feel weird.

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Tom NL

I also sold my VA-76 and will get my G-70 tomorrow - looking forward to it - and, yes - i have great confidence in Roland !

Tom, I am not keyless..I still have my favorite...G1000..

I also have my 1964 accordion!!

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Fran, that G1000 was really a hit for Roland and seems to be in a lot of music studios and is being lugged along on a lot of gigs! Let's hope that the G-70 sets the new standard.

And Polidenk, congratulations on your new keyboard. Let us know about you experiences when you have it in your home ok?


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Tom NL

Bevan,
Thank you very much for letting us (me) know this "facts".
What did I write what is not true ?
Why should I be 'negative' towards Roland?
I tried to explain on dutch forums why I did return the G70 :
My high expectations that did not come out,
A few software hangups,
Me disliking the styles,
Me perhaps being 'spoiled' with the SD1 Ketron,
etc.

I just put my opinions on the web and some people disliked that.... so?
The G70 I had was the very first one in 'private hands' and probably an incomplete one..... you forgot ALL members were VERY curious about my findings?

Then after giving my findings they are marked as LIES ?

Thanks again.


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Hi Bevan

I make no claims to be any kind of expert, and have no axe to grind in favour of any manufacturer. I don't work in the music industry beyond playing in a band.

However, I do beleive that any posting I have made is factually correct where I have tried to describe a particular feature or function of any keyboard, and is either based on thorough hands-on experience over several years (Korg i3 and i30HDD - currently a Roland VA76 for over two years), or is based on a careful examination of the relevent section of the manufacturers own User Manual (G-70).

I have no interest in misleading anyone.

Further, I have NOT dismissed the G-70 as a possible future purchase for myself. I am merely expressing disappointment that some of it's facilities are still not as good as I would expect for the price. I think it will undoubtedly be an improvement over the VA series.

Regards & Happy Chrismas - Mike

That can get into a gray area pretty often. Reviews and opinions are better left to actual experience, no matter how pure your intent. There's nothing like looking at, touching and hearing something .... no manual can give you that.

Sure , it is not right to give a review
when you saw only a manual on the net.
And do not forget to put off your earmuff
when listening to a musicinstrument.

Okay Mike, I agree
and notice an outline of the credit points the G-70 in comparison with the VA76
remember:
. better sound quality
. harmonic bar
. new and very good panel and display design
. vocal harmonist included
. new and better style structure
. adaptive chord voicing
. intro/ending2 with individual chord playing possible
. cover funktion for songs and styles
. make up tools for songs and styles
. mark and jump for songs
. micro edit for songs too
. User program finder all over the hole banks
. extended D-Beam controler functions
. extendid and noiseless data storage
. high cpu performance (loading 144 user programs takes 1 second)
. usb connector
. audio input in addition to the vocal harmonist input
. vidio output
. chord extractor
. 3 upper parts with upper3 split point
. drum modification during an active style
. extended one touch functions
. Master compressor
. 7 dedicated effects processors
I think it's a lot for 50 Euro more.
Regards: Hanspeter

Uncle Dave,

Reading the manual can provide important insights into the instrument even before yon can get your hands on it. Granted, one is not a substitute for another, as often there are details of the operation or sound which are impossible/unlikely to convey in a technical docu ment.

However, when things are described to work in a certain way, which is detrimental to one's needs, there is a good chance that that is how it will be in an actual instrument. For example, the Korg's 62 voice polyphony may not cause a problem to you or many other players, but the simple fact is that you will NEVER be able to get more than 62 notes of sound out of this beast - this is something that is obvious just reading Korg's promotional literature. Every Korg user who has ever ran out of polyphony will live with the fear that it may well happen to them againg.

The reviews are much more subjective, but even they can point out areas of potential problms. If I have a chane to play an instrument at a store, usually my amountof time with the instrument is limited. Knowing the areas of potential problems for others, I can spend my time making sure that they are not a factor for me.

Regards

No argument with that, Uncle Dave!


Regards - Mike

Hi - I wasn't trying to give any sort of "review" of the G-70, but I think it is fair to comment on something factual that an instrument either does or does not have.

Love your last remark, by the way!


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