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#159714 - 01/02/07 05:20 PM
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#159721 - 01/03/07 06:16 PM
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Why? It's farse disguised as a competition. I hate the fact that they promote the "K" word over real musicianship, and they treat the audience as if we were stupid enough to believe that Simon is mean, Randy is cool, Paula is a ditz .... it's just fluff. It's boring to me, but if you and the millions of fans out there keep watching it - more power to ya. I tried a few episodes each season because my 13 yr old daughter likes it, but it always leaves me cold.
So, I put it in the trash heap with ALL other "reality" shows like Survivor, Biggest loser, Jerry Springer ..... the list is WAY too long to be accurate, but you can quote me as saying that the state of American made TV is very sad.
My guilty pleasure used to be the Gilmore Girls, but after season 6 when the real writers left the show ... it started to suck wind, big time. So far Season 7 has been a waste of time. Poorly written, boring and they have ruined a story that I used to like to follow.
We all have our favs ....... but reality and TV are mutually exclusive terms. I watch TV to get away from reality. I want entertainment, fun and creativity. I find none of that in Idol.
Sorry fans - just one man's opinion.
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#159723 - 01/03/07 08:13 PM
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Ya cant argue with huge success.....dont forget also..... that Idol is not just in the USA it is a WORLD WIDE SUCESS in so many different countries.....
"Pop Idol was a British television series shown on ITV-1 in 2001; the show was a talent contest to find the best new young singer or ‘pop idol’ in the United Kingdom. The owners of Pop Idol, Fremantle Media and 19 Management, turned the show into a format and have since spun off Idols in dozens of successes such as American Idol, Canadian Idol, Indian Idol, Australian Idol, Indonesian Idol, Malaysian Idol, NZ Idol in New Zealand, Philippine Idol, France’s Nouvelle Star, Brazil’s Ídolos and Germany’s Deutschland Sucht den SuperStar. Regionally there has been Latin American Idol and Pan-Arabic Idol. There even was an international version among national winners from 11 countries as the World Idol.
The Pan-Arabic Idol, produced by the Lebanese satellite channel Future TV, is one of the world’s most popular broadcasts in Arabic, sometimes pulling in more than 30 million viewers for the two-hour show. In many parts of Northern Africa where most households do not own TV sets, viewers collect at bars that have TV sets, such as the family of Medina Mohammed, a 17 year old student contestant who entered from the Afar region.
Pop Idol can be critiqued as Andy Warhol’s fifteen minutes of fame, wrapped up in the shallow – indeed hollow nature of contemporary celebrity (in Britain the Celebrity Big Brother winner, Chantelle, was famous for not being famous).
SMLXL joined with TomiAhonen Consulting to analyze the Pop Idol viewing and voting of the 22 countries which had completed at least one full run of Pop Idol, and for which the viewing and voting data was available. These 22 countries cover a total of 560 million TV households. Out of the worldwide household count with TV sets of about 1.2 billion, it means that Pop Idols TV shows have been broadcast to 45% of households with a TV set.
In some of the countries Pop Idol has been run several times over the past five years. To eliminate double-counting of the same viewers from year to year, we took only the latest run of Pop Idol in any given country. Then by using the established rule of thumb for the Pop Idols TV format, that about 20% of the total series audience tunes in during the final, we arrived at a discrete audience of 215 million unique viewers. This is out of a total potential of 560 million households in the countries where Pop Idol has run. In other words the finals of Pop Idol have attracted viewers corresponding to 38% of all possible households.
Nobody can doubt the enormous appeal of this TV format. And just by its audience numbers and the resulting advertising sales to the show it is a global phenomenon. In America for example, for the latest finale they were selling ad spots at 1.3 million dollars per slot."
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#159724 - 01/03/07 10:05 PM
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I must agree with Uncle Dave and Semi. I sorta like to watch the really early ones where they are very bad, but I've never gotten past a show or two. There are only so many hours on my Tivo, and this thing ranks WAY down on the list, behind football, golf, ER, Poker, House, Family Guy and King of the Hill. DonM
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#159728 - 01/24/07 10:31 AM
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I've already stated my gripes with this show's method of building superstars... but yep, I've seen some of it lately and it is definitely wildly entertaining. The Simon guy knows how to make money for sure. They've built a cash cow. I haven't heard or seen anyone on there this season who blows me away. But it's hard to get blown away acapella. One thing they've definitely done is they have kind of exploited the mentally challenged or whatever we call them these days. Some of these people, you're left wondering "is this for real?" You know they just have to be a little bit off. Of course, the crazier, the better these days. TV has definitely gone over the edge regarding the human condition. I know one thing... that guy on last position last night... they showed a clip of his dad dancing and singing like back in the 50s or 60s. I couldn't hear him, maybe that was muted. But, man, that white man could dance! What was his name? I wonder if there is a youtube clip of him. Man, he could really go! A white James Brown! ------------------ Bill smallGig.com ::: As a songwriter, I need feedback on songs posted! Thanks!
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#159730 - 01/24/07 12:07 PM
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Renig is right...LCD...lowest common denominator...that's, in essence, the driving factor for the most popular network programming.
"Professional" wrestling, with the required suspension of belief", is a good example. No-one really believes that it is real, but it is popular and entertaining as hell!
In all mass communications efforts, we're in a "sound bite" world. More complicated plots are relegated to a "cable world"...sometimes non-profit educational television.
We all face the same situation. As music gets more complicated, the audience grows smaller. Serious players face smaller audience and paychecks, because they end up playing over the heads of the audience.
As a professor of mass communications, I realize that TV is what it is...enjoy it, but don't over-think or take it too seriously.
It is what it is. I like the comedy shows best...Earl, The Office...Scrubs...30 Rock Saturday Night Live...diversion (and sometimes valid social statements) without a lot of effort.
Relax and enjoy...
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#159734 - 01/24/07 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by SemiLiveMusic: I've already stated my gripes with this show's method of building superstars... but yep, I've seen some of it lately and it is definitely wildly entertaining. The Simon guy knows how to make money for sure. They've built a cash cow.
I haven't heard or seen anyone on there this season who blows me away. But it's hard to get blown away acapella.
One thing they've definitely done is they have kind of exploited the mentally challenged or whatever we call them these days. Some of these people, you're left wondering "is this for real?" You know they just have to be a little bit off.
Of course, the crazier, the better these days. TV has definitely gone over the edge regarding the human condition.
I know one thing... that guy on last position last night... they showed a clip of his dad dancing and singing like back in the 50s or 60s. I couldn't hear him, maybe that was muted. But, man, that white man could dance! What was his name? I wonder if there is a youtube clip of him. Man, he could really go! A white James Brown!
I didn't see it, but his dad must have been Roy Head. Had a couple of big hits in the 60's, most noticeably "Treat Her Right". A great entertainer, from Texas I think. DonM
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#159736 - 01/25/07 08:13 AM
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Roy Head has recorded songs in a variety of styles since the 60's and is most closely associated with his giant hit from 1965 Treat Her Right.
He was born in Three Rivers, Texas in 1943. By the early 60's Roy had formed his own band caled the Traits. He was a country singer but ventured into rock-and-roll. The group signed with the Scepter label in 1964, then moved on to a smaller label called Back Beat. It was here that they would have their most success on the pop charts. They recorded their song Treat Her Right and it entered the pop charts in September of 1965. Released as by Roy Head and the Traits, it reached number two both there and on the R&B charts. Although Roy Head was a white singer he had recorded a song in an R&B style, and thus became part of the mid-60's blue-eyed soul movement that also included groups such as the Righteous Brothers and the Boxtops.
Other songs which had been recorded earlier were reissued, either as by Roy himself or by Roy Head and the Traits. Two of these reached the top forty on the pop charts later in 1965, Just A Little Bit and Apple Of My Eye. Roy and his group recorded with other labels, some of which were too small to promote a record into being recognized nationally. They had three more minor hits in 1966. They reached the top 100 just once more with a minor hit in 1971 titled [The World's Going Up In A] Puff Of Smoke.
Roy Head turned his attentions to the country market in the 70's, and continued to record for a variety of record labels. The country hits began to come and Roy rode the country charts into the mid-80's. The most successful country song he released was The Most Wanted Woman In Town in 1975. Roy released a number of albums in the late 70's and early 80's, and there were some compilations issued in the 90's.
So Roy Head and the Traits had a variety of records issued on a variety of labels. They are basicly a country band that records in a rock-and-roll style, sometimes with an R&B influence. The result is a lot of varied, interesting music. Roy himself is an accomplished guitar player and the group is known for putting on a good show, sometimes along the lines of a James Brown dance revival. The big hit from the the 60's, Treat Her Right, was featured in the movie The Commitments.
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#159739 - 01/25/07 12:15 PM
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#159744 - 01/30/07 03:49 AM
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#159747 - 01/30/07 06:08 PM
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Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad........
There is something so utterly wrong with the concept of American Idol, and 'reality' shows in general, and we all talk around the cooler about the utterly contrived drivel disguised as a 'contest'.
The sad truth is, although many people will try to tell you why they watch it is for the next superstar, the REAL reason they are watching is for the humiliation of the poorer singers...... despite being mercilessly picked by the show's executives PRECISELY because they ARE so bad, and so gullible.
Now there is something fundamentally wrong with a society that gains enjoyment from watching (and even, with AI, of participating in) the humiliation and punishment of the innocent.
Take a look at the fate of other societies that had that little empathy..... The Romans and their circuses, little more than a gorier version of Survivor, the Germans of the 20s and 30s, with their 'schadenfreude', and the resultant rise (or at least concurrent rise) of Fascism.....
The fate of a society that derives pleasure from other's pain is decline and violence. Plenty of evidence for that, isn't there?
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#159761 - 03/07/07 03:54 PM
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After the performance by the guys last night, they should all go home. This year's male talent lineup, IMO, is just awful. Gary ------------------ Travlin' Easy
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#159767 - 03/14/07 11:30 AM
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Donny, I agree wholeheartedly with Simon in that Melinda and Lakisha (as pure singers) are definately in another class than the other contestants, HOWEVER.....this is no guarantee that either will have as big a career as some of the others. Lakisha is my personal favorite with Melinda close behind. I was also really liking Blake up until the last performance (different drummer...I like that). BUT...if I had to bet my money on who will be most successful over their careers, I would probably bet on someone like Gina (the rock chick). That's because of young people's love affair with rock. She's got the image and the attitude and apparently that's enough. Look at Carrie Underwood. Who in their right mind is going to believe that this mediocre (at best) talent is the best America has to offer. Remember now, that I'm talking strictly about singing ability and talent, not commercial potential (blonde, wholesome, corn-fed, country, etc., etc.; why gol dang, I think I just died and went to heaven....who cares whether she can sing or not, bet she can milk a mean cow and would look dang good behind the wheel of that pick-up).
So, in conclusion, they are not wrong who critisize and question the show's status as a showcase for the best talent in America. Did anyone actually listen to Antonella? How on earth could this person possible be one of the top 20 singers in America? top 20 million, MAYBE. Truthfully, I didn't even think she was that hot (but then, I'm an old man, what do I know).
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#159776 - 03/30/07 04:05 AM
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American Idol is NOT a talent competition. It's a scripted, made-up, glitzy attempt to force the next new, sellable, hot thing down the throats of the music buying public. It's not about the breatest talet. it's about WHAT THEY CAN SELL. period.
Sure, some of the finalists have talent. Trillions of people all over the world have talent, and we'll never see it. Pop stars are "MADE" in Hollywood and "sold" till they go out of style. It's not about talent.
If content and talent were important for success there would be no Jerry Springer, reality TV, Pro wrestling ( don't get me started ! )....... American TV is at an all time low right now. I think we need stronger censors, programmers with a conscience, and smarter viewers.
Whew. Sorry. touchy subject for me. Carry on, my friends ! It's a beautiful day and I have a spring concert for my students in a few hours. This is a REAL talent show. The kids all desearve their shot on stage....even when they stumble and fall, there is no "big, bad judge" to make fun of them or cut their confidence down. These kids are not all great performers, but for 3 minutes on stage ... they sure do feel like it !
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#159786 - 08/25/08 10:58 PM
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#159788 - 11/10/08 06:06 AM
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Donny, Ok, it's been so long since the last Idol, I forgot who won again??? I don't see the huge chart buster hits from David Cook as with Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Daughtry. Personally, I think the Idol age group is too young, I think musicians arrive in their prime in their 50's like you and me. ;-) Al Originally posted by Dnj: Dancing With the Stars may be halfway through its season run, but the next reality juggernaut is already waiting in the wings.
While Fox itself has yet to formally announce when American Idol will return to the airwaves, USA Today reports that the eighth season will kick off with the freak show that is the audition process in a two-day, four-hour schadenfreude spectacular Jan. 13 and 14.
This time around, Simon Cowell, Randy Jackson and Paula Abdul—along with the indefatigable Ryan Seacrest—will be joined by new judge Kara DioGuardi when they crush dreams and hopefully unearth a superstar or two while making stops in San Francisco; Phoenix; Salt Lake City; Louisville, Ky.; East Rutherford, N.J.; Kansas City; and, for the first time, Puerto Rico. >>Read the rest of the story
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#159790 - 11/12/08 12:59 PM
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#159792 - 01/13/09 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Uncle Dave: Why? It's farse disguised as a competition. I hate the fact that they promote the "K" word over real musicianship, and they treat the audience as if we were stupid enough to believe that Simon is mean, Randy is cool, Paula is a ditz .... it's just fluff. It's boring to me, but if you and the millions of fans out there keep watching it - more power to ya. I tried a few episodes each season because my 13 yr old daughter likes it, but it always leaves me cold.
So, I put it in the trash heap with ALL other "reality" shows like Survivor, Biggest loser, Jerry Springer ..... the list is WAY too long to be accurate, but you can quote me as saying that the state of American made TV is very sad.
My guilty pleasure used to be the Gilmore Girls, but after season 6 when the real writers left the show ... it started to suck wind, big time. So far Season 7 has been a waste of time. Poorly written, boring and they have ruined a story that I used to like to follow.
We all have our favs ....... but reality and TV are mutually exclusive terms. I watch TV to get away from reality. I want entertainment, fun and creativity. I find none of that in Idol.
Sorry fans - just one man's opinion. +1 Yoh? You can't argue with success though. JERRY SPRINGER was hugely successful!!You certainly can argue with success. Americans are not general considered a cultured culture. how much culture can a country develop in 200 years? We are watching it. Another "reality" show thats not real at all and aimed for the youth market. A nice way for a single individual Simon Crowell to gain "first refusal" contracts for ALL dream seekers regardless if they win or they should break out in the future on their own success through entertainment starved American youth spoon fed RAP and Hip Hop hearing their peers sing pop songs. Then they sprinkle in the bad people to ridicule for "entertainment value" Some of those kids had a "dream as well." Its probably the only show on TV that parents can actually watch with their kids though and have a dialog with. In that regard it's a good thing for family unity. No one is "real" when there are three cameras on them 16+ hours a day in a contrived situation. [This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 01-13-2009).]
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#159794 - 01/13/09 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Dnj: Idol .....8 years ! America loves it! Jerry Springer had a longer run and was more honest about it's intentions... The first time I saw a terribly nad act we were supposed to laugh at I turned it off. No search for an "Idol" there. I have found none of the winners to be "Idols" None original. Talyor Hicks??? We already have Michael Mc Donald. A soulful blues singer. Carrie Underwoods are all over the country and pop charts. Studard never went anywhere while his second runner up (the long time closet queen. Where was HIS reality during the show) gained teen idol success. More typical chewing gum for the brain.....
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#159796 - 01/13/09 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by Dnj: Cant argue with sucess u can Yes you can! Oprah,Springer,Marlboro.....Bottled Water. You may not win the debate but you can sure argue a case. $4 coffe became a success too. Bottled Water....A bigger waste of money I have never seen. ..(after Extended Warranties and lottery tickets) One day you are in a convenience store with a Dollar......a week later you are worth $50 Million. [This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 01-13-2009).]
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#159798 - 01/14/09 02:18 PM
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And that is important to me......why? SHE loves it I don't..I'm satisfied with my actually living MY life far more than watching others live theirs. [This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 01-14-2009).]
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#159806 - 02/05/09 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Diki: Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad........
There is something so utterly wrong with the concept of American Idol, and 'reality' shows in general, and we all talk around the cooler about the utterly contrived drivel disguised as a 'contest'.
The sad truth is, although many people will try to tell you why they watch it is for the next superstar, the REAL reason they are watching is for the humiliation of the poorer singers...... despite being mercilessly picked by the show's executives PRECISELY because they ARE so bad, and so gullible.
Now there is something fundamentally wrong with a society that gains enjoyment from watching (and even, with AI, of participating in) the humiliation and punishment of the innocent.
Take a look at the fate of other societies that had that little empathy..... The Romans and their circuses, little more than a gorier version of Survivor, the Germans of the 20s and 30s, with their 'schadenfreude', and the resultant rise (or at least concurrent rise) of Fascism.....
The fate of a society that derives pleasure from other's pain is decline and violence. Plenty of evidence for that, isn't there? Have to agree. If they were "honest" they would not show the humilition acts. It's like a fiction novel. The public is spoon feed what to believe in and what not to and goes along for the ride......Is it any wonder a guy without a record of achievement,experience, or sacrifice, who was an unknown to most of his voters just three years ago became President of the US? THAT was "American Idol" at it's best Americans seem to need "Idols" and instant manufactured dreams in all disciplines and disdain what is real,warts and all over that which is created spotfree.
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#159812 - 05/27/10 08:55 AM
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