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#160920 - 01/27/04 08:35 AM Midi Shootout?
keybplayer Offline
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Registered: 10/27/03
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We've had Piano shootouts with various Keyboards on different Forums that give an idea how good a Boards Acoustic Grand Piano sounds which in some cases has swayed a persons decision on whether to buy a particular Keyboard or not. What about a Keyboards ability to play Midi songs through a given Boards sound engine? Could that possibly sway a person's decision on which Keyboard to get also? We as OMB's and even if you play in a Band sometimes may require the use of Midi files to supplement a number or when using as a Karaoke implementation (Lyrics) whilst the Keyboardist may be providing 'fills' and or full Key accompaniment with the song (playing on top), or during breaks, etc. I've heard Roland is the king of Midi playback sound quality implementation on their Keyboards (which ones I'm not sure though).

So is anybody privy to a Midi Shootout to let others hear how their Board compares to others in regards to Midi playback quality and capability?

By recording any Midi song of your choice (your own sequence) or using an existing Midi file and recording it using either a Hard Disk Recorder, Software Sequencer, Multi-track recording software, etc., and posting it here on the SZ. Say, 128 kbps encoding on all converted to .mp3's and you can use any Effects, Dsp's, Reverbs, etc., of your choosing. Then we all can hear for ourselves how each particular Brand/Model of Keyboard stacks up in the way of Midi implementation and quality of sound.

Btw, if you don't have a Server to upload your song to I would be willing to upload it to my Server during the Shootout. I'm sure others would be willing to do the same thing.

Now having presented my spiel I want to post a Midi song played through my Tyros and recorded using my Sound Forge recording software. This gives you an idea of how well IMO the Tyros excels in Midi playback capability and of how well different instruments sound -Piano, Bass, Drums, Saxes, [insert instrument of your choice here] will sound on a particular Keyboard thus enabling the hearer to get a more rounded picture and understanding of how the sounds on a given Keyboard stack up.

From PaulD's recent Midi Demo (from the Genesys Ensemble Stage Piano's internal Demo) I for one know that the Genesys Ensemble has some very good sounds in it.

So what do you all think to a Midi Shootout? Yea, Nay, May[be]?

Here is my Midi song from the Tyros:
Amazing Grace (Funky Version) PS: I really just love the XG Slap Bass1 in this song. Kickin'!!

Best regards,
Mike

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 01-27-2004).]
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#160921 - 01/27/04 09:12 AM Re: Midi Shootout?
Dnj Offline
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Ooooooooooooooooooooooo.........Mike you said MIDI!!!!!!!! instead of Sequence!!!!


Just Kidding

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#160922 - 01/27/04 09:14 AM Re: Midi Shootout?
Uncle Dave Offline
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Mike,
I think that song is actually called:
"Never Ever", isn't it? My daughter loved it a year or so ago. I think it's by All Saints.
Nice groove on an old Gospel number.
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#160923 - 01/27/04 09:16 AM Re: Midi Shootout?
Dnj Offline
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Secondly......did you forget that although its a good idea in theory....not everyone has the same KB or Sound System to listen back to these Sequences to make a qualified opinion on each song?

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#160924 - 01/27/04 09:35 AM Re: Midi Shootout?
MacAllcock Offline
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I too think that "Never Ever" is based on "Amazing Grace".

In my experience the "how good does this keyboard play unmodified midi files" question almost always results in the answer "Roland". Their GM/GS soundset has always been very consistent in terms of the "feel" and volume levels of the voices.

Much as I love my PSR2k I always have to remap the midi file voices on any commercial or internet sourced midi files. The Auto Revoice option ought to help but I still find channel balance a big issue.
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#160925 - 01/27/04 09:42 AM Re: Midi Shootout?
Dnj Offline
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Roland sounds are hard to beat .....I agree!

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#160926 - 01/27/04 09:56 AM Re: Midi Shootout?
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
I was impressed by the way Roland, Korg and Ketron played midi files. Yamaha has big problems, particulary with the drums. I'm glad I don't use many midi files-songs-sequences - whatever is politically correct.
However, all indications are that increased use of pre-done backgrounds, including midi and MP3s is the "wave" of the future.
DonM
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#160927 - 01/27/04 03:56 PM Re: Midi Shootout?
Dnj Offline
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I just mix up all the TOOLS available to us to entertaine, Styles, Smf, Mp3's....
after all...

"You Can't Build a house With Just a Hammer"

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#160928 - 01/27/04 04:17 PM Re: Midi Shootout?
Tony W Offline
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Registered: 12/04/99
Posts: 836
Loc: Lancaster UK
I have to say that I love my 9000pro.....

....BUT of all the keyboards I've owned the one that MOST impressed me with SMF playback was the Roland EM2000. Don't know why or what it was that made it sound like it did but boy that board could play midi files!

Pity it never sounded quite the same when I played it

Also Mike, Excellent idea but unless we all played the same file on the same board through the same sound system we would all get massively different results.
Best to you all
Tony

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#160929 - 01/27/04 04:56 PM Re: Midi Shootout?
Dnj Offline
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Tony....I agree the Roland G1000 Seq sounded the best and easiest to use too I miss it.

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