Gary,
You're welcome. A learning experience for me after using both for so long I never really made a direct head to head on the same cut.
Terry

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Dave,
Obviously great minds (or ears anyway) think alike.
Terry

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And after all that I decided to trade my AW in on a new recorder.I ordered one of the new Tascam SX 1LE's.
http://www.tascam.com/product_info.php?pid=323&nav=integrated_workstations

Don't anyone ask me to do any more experiments for awhile please I can't afford it.
Terry

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[This message has been edited by trtjazz (edited 11-24-2003).]

Hello all,

For anybody that feels like "gettin' techy wit it", I conducted an experiment on Terry's A-B comparison and have posted the results on a web page. The images are big so you might have to do some scrolling.

http://genny.lib.umn.edu/terry/default.htm

mike

Mike,
Very interesting....although the wavs look very similar, the analysis spectrum is totally different. Must be in the US 122 sound card. The prominent feq. was miles appart as was the db response.
Terry

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[This message has been edited by trtjazz (edited 11-24-2003).]

Terry I didn't mean to stir the pot about your Yammie AW16G HD Recorder. In fact I wasn't even sure which one you had when you did the A/B comparison until you spilled the beans in a later post. Let me say that the AW16G is one of the highest rated HD Recorders on the market Terry. And it is hardly obsolete. It may have been that you didn't have the AW16G set up optimally when you recorded your demo. Sometimes just enabling this/disabling that or tweaking this/tweaking that could have made a world of difference. Also the AW16G is probably the best bang for the buck HD Recorder on the market right now. And you may find spending 3x as much for the Tascam may not produce even 1x as much improvement (if indeed any at all) in your final Mastering results.

That is just a word of caution. (Excuse me for sounding like a sibling ). If you have money to burn which apparently you don't from your previous post you may want to put that Tascam to the test under "serious" scrutiny under all kinds of conditions before you give it your final nod of okay.

PS: I hope you have a 30 day return guarantee too. You may need to use it in the end. If it works out and passes your meticulous standards of excellence then great. But just keep that receipt handy just in case.

Best regards,
Mike

I think the bottom line here sportsfans is in what we hear. Everyone had the opportunity to listen to both versions, and by an overwhelming margin, the direct PC recording won--hands down. Don't need to run a complete spectrum analysis of each segment, then pick it apart--it's what your ears heard that really counts in the end. As for me, I'm going to keep doing what I have been doing all along--recording directly into the PC using Music Creator 2003. It works well, no one was able to tell when I was using an expensive digital recorder, and with the money I sold the recorder for, it paid for one of my Barbetta Sona's.

Cheers from an old man,

Gary

Mike,
Terry owns a AW4416 and I can hardly believe his AW causes this strange sound-image.

My AW16G sounds absolutely perfect without noise and colouring the original source.

Roel

[This message has been edited by Roel (edited 11-24-2003).]

My mistake Roel. Thanks for correcting me. Since Terry owns the AW4416 my point is even more apparent. The AW4416 is an even higher end unit which should perform as good or even better than the AW16G.

Terry, the Hard Disk on the AW4416 may need to be defragmented is all. There have been reports that you need to defragment the Hard Disk frequently to keep the recordings and playback sounding optimal. That may have been the problem when recording "A" in the comparison, ie., a fragmented Hard Disk.

Best regards,
Mike



[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 11-24-2003).]

Mike, Mike, Mike,
You're making a way bigger deal out of this than my sarcastic bit of self humor (notice the smilie after my statement in the post) intended.

If you also read my words I preferred the AW over the laptop recording myself and frankly to my ears there was a noticeable difference in favor of the AW.

I went and bought a new recorder because for me it was time not because of anything to do with this test. If I went with the majority opinion here I would have just sold the AW and started recording to the laptop, but I was one who likes the h/d recording better.

There are several reasons I choose to go for the Tascam. It records uncompressed, (the AW's record in a compressed data format), it records midi, it has gigastudio software and support in the o/s. It has 32 tracks for recording, with 16 inputs. I can hook my flat panel monitor to it and work on the big screen. It has more effects possible per channel on and on.

So it was time for me to upgrade anyway, it really had nothing at all to do with this thread.

BTW I defrag the AW after every cd and I do not agree with sound coloring or whatever that some of you heard. Once again the noise that Roel heard upfront is due to a few things, cables and gain going from the Tyros to the AW. All of those pick up noise along the way. This was just a quick and dirty recording to get a sound comparison up for all to hear. Neither of these recordings to me would be acceptable to put on a cd.

In short if I were to dump anything in this scenario, it would be the laptop for recording for my ears and ease of use, which is what I have been doing all along anyway.

I'm upgrading because I felt it was time after recording to the AW4416 for the last few years, not because of what has been said in this thread. The AW is a great recorder, but for me it was time to move on and after looking at all of them the Tascam seemed to me to be the best value for the money.
Terry



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