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#161356 - 08/22/05 10:08 PM Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
Scottyee Offline
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Here's yet another professional looking print to CD/DVD device option. This one utilizes a waterproof ink 'thermal transfer' process, takes 26 seconds, and will print to ANY blank CD/DVD. The only limitation is that you can only print in one color: black, red, blue, or green, but the results appear to look similar to the process used on most commercial audio CD's, and because I already own an ink jet PRINTER for all my other computer printing needs, purchasing a device specifically dedicated to CD/DVD printing seems like a good option. Anybody here own or have any experience with the Primera Signature Z1? Feedback appreciated.



Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer

PC Magazine Review

Extreme MHZ Review

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#161357 - 08/23/05 06:47 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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Hi Scott: I read your SZ post asking about CD printers and thought I'd give you an opinion. I've gone through several printers - the last was an Epson which tore up and ruined many CD's for me (they don't feed the CD into the printer reliably). After a lot of research I finally bought a Primera Bravo II disk duplicator, which works perfectly and I highly recommend. It's expensive but reliable and it hasn't made a bad CD yet. If you design your CD's well then the ink usage is remarkably efficient (I've printed hundreds of CD's and I'm still on my original cartridges!). The ink is waterproof as near as I can tell also. It's great to just start a batch of CD's (up to 25 at a time) and come back later and they are finished, unlike the Epsons where you feed each CD in one at a time.
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#161358 - 08/23/05 06:52 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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#161359 - 08/23/05 08:59 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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Scott let us know how you like the Bravo unit ok?

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#161360 - 08/23/05 09:51 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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Casio also has one for less than $100.00.
I ran out of cartridges, but it does the same type of job. It to will only print in one color, but has a variety of color cartridges on the website. Bob L.
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#161361 - 08/24/05 03:43 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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I use the Signature IV by Primera and it's AWESOME. Makes 50 at a time - all automatic.
Ahhhhh
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#161362 - 08/24/05 05:26 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
I use the Signature IV by Primera

Uncle Dave, great to hear you're enjoying your Primera Signature IV. Unfortunately I can't find the Signature IV listed on Primera's website . Has the Signature IV been now REPLACED by another model? Which Primera unit is its replacement equivilent? Thanks.

Scott

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#161363 - 08/24/05 06:56 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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The Z1 looks like a very slick unit to me. Good price, good PC mag review, and small footprint. Unless you're looking at large volume, this seems to be an option that would produce very professional looking results. I would obtain one with a liberal return option and make sure this one user's cons are not viable.

One user's review:

"I've used my Z1 for about 2 dozen disks so far. PROS: 1. Software easy to use. 2. Allows curved printing on two of the four print areas CONS: 1. Doesn't print clearly on typical silver disks with grainy, rough texture on the label side, especially if you are trying to print the song list for a full music CD in a small font. 2. Doesn't help you line up your text with the manufacturer's printing on the disk. 3. Disks hard to remove from unit after printing. 4. Hard to find plain white disks"

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#161364 - 08/24/05 08:49 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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At $1,700 for the printer, plus all the supplies, you have to sell a heck of a lot of CDs to get close to the break-even mark! Not for me--I'll stick with BJ's High Gloss Labels and my regular high-resolution printer. 1,000 CDs and not a single lable failure.

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#161365 - 08/24/05 10:14 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
I'll stick with BJ's High Gloss Labels
Gary


I can't play CDs that have a stick on lable in my car, and the heat from the player sometimes makes the lable wrinkle ..... I'd advise against the paper for sale items.

Scott - I bought the model IV twice in the last 2 years, but I don't know if it's still current. It's kind of heavy duty though ..... and requires a PC to run it.
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#161366 - 08/24/05 10:39 PM Re: Primera Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer: Permanent Waterproof Thermal INK Process!
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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
At $1,700 for the printer


Gar, not sure which printer you're referring to, by since your posting followed GlennT's about the Signature Z1, it gave the impression that the Z1 goes for $1,700. Not true. The Primera Signature Z1 (of which looks to meet my needs) goes for around $120 (street price), and the equivilent featured Casio brand unit, which BobL (mr82thebar) owns, goes for even less: $69.88

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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
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I'll stick with BJ's High Gloss Labels and my regular high-resolution printer.[/B]


I swear I'll NEVER use stick-on labels on my CD/DVDs again because of all the problems I've had losing sensitive data backed up to CDs labeled this way. Initially my CD player would read them, but over time (after a year or two), I'm no longer able to get ANY CD-ROM drive to read ANY of them.

I've since learned that STICK-ON LABELS ARE NOT a good idea. Sure they're cheap but they can cause irreversible damage to your discs. Over time, they could peel at the edges creating tracking or read back problems. Secondly, if the label is not placed on the disc evenly, without any wrinkles or bubbles, your playback drive may not track properly. Forget about taking it off -- any attempt to remove the label will most definitely ruin your disc. And lastly, 12x speed (or higher) playback drives have been known to "dislike" discs with stick-on labels. That little amount of extra weight kicks the drive out of whack.

Scott
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