Hey Mike
Just wondering what ever happened with the case. I see nobody bid on the KKP9.

Scott

Scott

I just called GC yesterday -last night in fact; and they said it still hasn't arrived. I even checked another local GC in my area to see if they had any in and they didn't either. I heard that GC is going to discontinue the KKP9. So maybe because of that they are having difficulty getting my "already paid for" one in. Which leads me to wonder "why" are they discontinuing it? >Probably because they're getting something better to supplant it. I know one thing, if they don't get mine in soon I will pull the plug, ie., (get my money back) and continue my search for a good case for my Tyros. I still would like to get a Hard Case but it needs to be extra light - (is there such a thing???)and also at a good price point! Again; - (is there such a thing???) Me thinks not! But I've been known to be wrong once or twice in my lifetime. Yikes!! Don't smoke that Grandpa, that ain't tabaccy. Yes, I admit after much consternation that I indeed have made more than a couple mistakes and wrong choices in my lifetime. One of them might be in getting the KKP9 Case!!! If they discontinue them the support goes down the drain too.

How about you Scott? Have you recieved yours yet? If so, what do you think about it? Does it measure up to your expectations? Is it worth the dough in your estimation?

Best regards,
Mike

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Hi Mike

No, mine hasn't arrived yet.

These companies are always taking on new lines and discontinueing others. A big reason for that is who cut them the best deal. The thing with the KKP9 is it fits the Tyros well and for $60 I don't think a guy can go wrong. I have the KKP7 and its perfect for the PSR2000. As far as support, I don't think there is going to be anything that's going to need company support..there is no owners manual on how to operate it and they removed all the electical components in the case. haha.

Otherwise if you want a good hard case, check this out. You may have missed it when I posted this before.

This is for an ATA case made of composite wood cut to fit the Tyros like a glove (or any other keyboard for that matter). This wood is 30% lighter and twice as strong. The Tyros case would weigh 17.7 lbs . Add 2.2 lbs if you want wheels. Considering the KKP9 weighs 17 lbs and the Yamaha Tyros softcase (YBTYROS?) weighs 18 lbs plus is way too long, about 54 inches.

I decided to get the KKP9 because I know it fits and I know how well I like the KKP7 and for $60....'nuff said.

I talked with Chuck at DC Case and Cabinet the other day. I think from my research anybody looking for a decent case for their Tyros or any other keyboard for that matter, that doesn't weigh a ton, that isn't oversized or overpriced will hit the jackpot here.

They have a carpet covered case with wheels and the normal included hardware for about $130 including shipping and insurance. This is a hard case and it weight about 25-28 lbs. It has 1/4" foam rubber and comes with a warranty.

They also have ATA cases available. These weigh around 23 lbs for a Tyros. Getting better in the weight department here. I said I really was interested in a case under 20 lbs.

He said it could be done with composite board which is two times stronger that the other. It also weighs 30% less. So here we have an ATA case cut to fit the Tyros that will weigh, are you ready? 17.75 lbs!! If you want wheels, add 2.2 lbs. So, here it is, under 20 lbs. It has one inch foam. You can get two inch foam, but he says its overkill. How big will be the outside dimensions? Add two inches on all sides. From what I've seen this will be the smallest, lightest and least expensive top of the line case available. Chuck estimates the case will cost the customer between $169-$189.The composite board comes in black, which means no extra weight adding a covering.

He said he was considering getting some composite board, but was concerned about the cost to the customer! He said his aim was to build a good case that the average working person could afford! Isn't this a switch?

After I asked a bunch of questions about this lightweight wood he said he would find out exactly how much it would cost. He called me back in about 45 minutes with all the vital statistics and said he bought out the entire warehouse of this material!

He has already made cases for the Tyros and about everything else. Chuck and the girl who I talked to were friendly, courteous and really know their stuff.

I am not connected with this company in any way. I just think I found the best thing out there and wanted everybody that wants a good deal on a terrific case to be able to get one. http://www.dccase.com

1-800-714-2009

Best

Scott Langholff



[This message has been edited by Scott Langholff (edited 10-12-2003).]

Ha, Ha Scott LOL! Good one, ie., "no support - no owners manual or electrical parts inside the case, etc. I beg to differ! Yours and my Tyros is a $3,000 piece of electrical equipment!!! Ha! But I understand what you're saying Scott. Since it's not an ATA certified case they couldn't guarantee anything if the Keyboard was damaged somehow - (inside the boundaries of abuse of course) You know, like some products like the "CLUB" you use for a vehicle to keep people from stealing it. They actually will pay you out of their pocket if for some reason your car gets stolen when using their product under certain conditions, etc. But since the KKP9 is a soft case a guarantee like that is out of the question I would imagine. Any way, when a product is discontinued from a company, it is highly probable that they would snub you if the Case develops a defect or other problem while under the normal 1 year Manufacturers Warranty. Out of sight out of mind I always say. If they no longer sell the product - "out of site" - they in all probability would be reluctant to service and repair it IMO - "out of mind" (they absolve themselves of responsibility because, "Hey, we no longer even sell that model anymore". Begone peasant!! Do I make sense? I've actually have experienced this type of response from Companies myself regarding this type of situation. So support is vital IMO.

On a positive note; I called GC again tonight and they said my KKP9 is IN!!! When I called yesterday the guy said it hadn't come in yet but when I called today the Manager said it got in on the 8th!! I don't think GC's left hand know's what it's right hand is doing half the time if you ask me. But the good news is it's in. I will doubtless pick it up tomorrow if all goes as scheduled. I will post back a review of the Case soon. If I deem it unworthy of my Tyros I will return it and quite possibly give your fellas at GC Case and Cabinet a call Scott. Thanks for posting the link.

Best regards,
Mike

PS: Scott Yee, - thanks for your input on the KKP9 Case. I agree with you about the retractable handle even though I haven't gotten my Case as I write this. A retractable handle like you said would make it much easier to transport and even in stowing it away until the next use.

I will indeed give my thoughts about it after I've given it a good going over.

Best regards,
Mike

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hi Mike,

I purchased (10 months ago) & recommend the Kaces Porter III, model #KKP9KB case for transporting the Tyros. I'd give it 4 stars.
http://www.aceproducts.com/porter.html

The KKP9KB's interior length & width dimensions closely match the Tyros . The kb case thickness is about 2" thicker than the kb, so I highly recommend purchasing a piece of 2" thick foam (inexpensive) from a local foam bed store, cut to the same dimensions as the case interior. This keeps the keyboard from moving around in the case as well as provides additional padded protection to the top of the kb (keys, buttons & screen). The Kaces Porter Kase is idea for daily gig transport as it's both lightweight yet provides adequately padded protection, though not ATA airline certificable. I think the Tyros & Kaces Porter a terrific lightweight combo. I also got mine at my local Guitar Center for $99.

The only criticism I have about Kaces III cases is the handle. The older model Kaces Porter w/wheels case (which I use for my PSR2000) has a 'retractable' handle which makes the case a lot easier to maneuver because the handle (extends out from the end of the case about 6-8 inches) creating a more comfortable pulling angle, while the newer Kaces III model uses a plastic handle which pivots directly on the end of the case itself creating a far less comfortable pulling position. Other than that, the other areas of case construction (durability & stitching) seem improved over the previous model Kaces Porter cases. If only they would have retained the retractable handle, I'd given the Kaces III 5 stars. Mike, I look forward to hearing your thoughts regarding your Kaces Porter case after you get yours. - Scott

I finally got my Aces Kaces Keyboard Case. > Say that really fast ten times -if you can!
LOL Ha, Ha. - Okay back to business.

I picked up my KKP9KB-61 Keyboard case and when I got it home immediately unpacked it, opened it up, and then proceeded to disconnect all the cables, power cord, and Music Stand from my Tyros and place the Tyros inside the Case. First thing I noticed: It's a tight Fit!! Which is actually a good thing when you think about it. No Tyros sloshing around inside the Case because of to much space inside.

Second thing I noticed: If you roll the case on Carpet the Case basically 'rubs' the Carpet near the wheels as you pull it along. > How often would you roll it on carpet though? So that's no problem per say.

Third thing: The handle IS a little awkward as Scott Yee pointed out when you try to wheel the Case. I thought from Scott's previous statement that the KKP9 HAD an extended Handle (like the old model had); but that the Handle DIDN'T 'retract'. I now know that isn't so. So stowing the Case is no problem either, ie., "no protruding Handle to worry about when storing the Case".

Fourth thing I noticed: They really skimped on padding!!! They should taken a lesson from SKB's Soft Cases on how a good padded Case should be. Scott Yee was right when he said that you really 'need' a filler Pad to place on top of the Keyboard when placed inside the KKP9. Which is why I headed over to Home Depot and got a 'filler' pad. What I did was I bought a product at Home Depot called R-Tech InsulFoam. It is basically a 'Styrofoam' type Padding that is actually somewhat stiff yet it has the ability to 'give' a little when pressure is applied. I cut it up to the right dimensions proportionately by using a small hand 'hacksaw' with a fine blade. Cutting it was a piece of cake. I only had to make 2 cuts and I applied some Duct type Tape to the two cut edges to keep the cut edges from 'shedding' small amounts of the Styrofoam that I'm sure would have eventually happened over time. But to play it safe I applied the Duct type Tape to 'all' 4 edges. The taped sticks really well and is able to withstand temperatures of up to 200 degrees Fahrenheit without losing its ability to stick to a substance. The Styrofoam type material on the pad is thoroughly tested Safe, Non-Corrosive, Non-Toxic, Contains NO CFC, HCFC, or Formaldehyde. In other words; it's enviromentally safe. But like most building materials it is 'combustible'. But so is the KKP9 for that matter. The padding I got was 1 7/16" thick and it weighs no more than 3 ounces total -(tape and all). And the price?? I paid a grand total of $3.46 for it. It fits like a glove on top of the Tyros and I'm positive it will provide adequate 'extra' protection for it.

Conclusion?? It is soooooooo much lighter than that Road Ready Case I took back. The total weight with the Tyros inside is roughly 44 lbs. With the Road Ready Case I was looking at about 68 lbs. I have a separate carrying case for my Cables, Foot Pedals, Sheet Music, etc., so the KKP9 with the Tyros inside will be that much lighter.

It's definitely a keeper IMO. Only time will tell how it holds up down the road though.

Best regards,
Mike

Hi Mike, ScottY and all

OK, I got my Kaces Porter KKP9 a few days ago. You were both right about its nice fit as far as length and width. It is a little deep, but I don't think there's anything out there smaller. I don't know if I'm going to use extra padding yet or not. I'm going to take my time on that.

As far as the handle, its OK. It's really the little button that sticks up for the extra belt that gets in my way. Hmmmmm....let me think....Tyros...ScottY....Mike....., that's it, ...hacksaw. I knew there was a common link here someplace. lol. (Actually, I'd have to think about that for a while too).

I did notice because of the handle that when I walk my leg sometimes hits the case.

All in all, except for the few minor issues, I think it's a very good case. It even fits in my car, unlike the YBTyros bag which is I think 6" longer.

I went to Winn-Dixe the other night. They have a large scale. I took my Tyros with KKP9 there, and lo and behold, it weighed 47 1/2 lbs. A little heavier than we all thought. I do know, I would never want to go heavier than this.

I really wish they made the Tyros the same size as the PSR2000/2100. And I believe they could have. But, you know I think it was for appearance sake only. The aesthetic value.

From what I am aware of, I would recommend this case as the best choice for the Tyros as far as a soft case with wheels. Especially if one can get one from ebay at $59.98 like I did.

Best
Scott Langholff

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scott Langholff:
[B]Hi Mike, ScottY and all

OK, I got my Kaces Porter KKP9 a few days ago. You were both right about its nice fit as far as length and width. It is a little deep, but I don't think there's anything out there smaller. I don't know if I'm going to use extra padding yet or not. I'm going to take my time on that.

>Great Scott!! (No pun intended) I'm glad you got your KKP9 Scott and you find it to your satisfaction. You're right; it is very compact considering many of the others out there are a lot longer.<

As far as the handle, its OK. It's really the little button that sticks up for the extra belt that gets in my way. Hmmmmm....let me think....Tyros...ScottY....Mike....., that's it, ...hacksaw. I knew there was a common link here someplace. lol. (Actually, I'd have to think about that for a while too).

>I thought something similar Scott! I think maybe a good pair of heavy duty wire cutters may be a better choice than the Hacksaw though. <

I did notice because of the handle that when I walk my leg sometimes hits the case.

>I guess we'll have to adjust the way we walk, now won't we. <

All in all, except for the few minor issues, I think it's a very good case. It even fits in my car, unlike the YBTyros bag which is I think 6" longer.

>I won't be able to get it in my trunk but it will fit perfectly along my vehicles back seat.<

I went to Winn-Dixe the other night. They have a large scale. I took my Tyros with KKP9 there, and lo and behold, it weighed 47 1/2 lbs. A little heavier than we all thought. I do know, I would never want to go heavier than this.

> Pssttt! Scott; I think those heavy duty scales won't weigh any thing under 500 lbs. accurately. If you've got a good home scale (doctor certified, etc.) I think you may find you get a different reading. Either that or for goodness sakes make sure your foot isn't on the scale when you weigh the Tyros at Winn-Dixe. <

I really wish they made the Tyros the same size as the PSR2000/2100. And I believe they could have. But, you know I think it was for appearance sake only. The aesthetic value.

>That's debatable. I think part of it has to do with the more sophisticated Hardware (more Hardware too) - inside the Tyros that takes up more real estate. But I agree it didn't have to be [44 3/4"] long. They could of shortened it up some.<

From what I am aware of, I would recommend this case as the best choice for the Tyros as far as a soft case with wheels. Especially if one can get one from ebay at $59.98 like I did.

>I agree; it is an excellent soft case for the Tyros. You got the best deal around too Scott.<

Best regards,
Mike

Quote: (Mike)>I guess we'll have to adjust the way we walk, now won't we. <

Step and a half??

LOL How about a Step and 2 semitones.

I agree Scott, from what Scotty said the old style KKP9 case was better in that the handle was 'extended about 6" - (retractable too)- giving more freedom of movement for not only the hand but for the legs when transporting it. I guess inovation is not all it's cracked up to be, huh. Two steps forward and 1 step back scenario. Or maybe 1 step forward and 2 steps back depending on how you look at it. I suppose until something better comes along we'll have to put up with it I guess. Unless you've got a brainstorm up your sleeve Scott.

Best regards,
Mike