Hi...am considering purchasing the Logitech Z2200 for HOME USE only for my Yamaha PSR2000 and/or Casio WK3500. Would appreciate any comments regarding sound quality, etc. I seem to recall some comments about the bass of these speakers, but don't recall the specifics. Any responses will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance...Bruce
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Thanks everyone for your comments. They were most helpful. Just ordered it from Amazon.com...$50 rebate still good. Really appreciate all the help....Regards...Bruce
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[This message has been edited by BruceMilne (edited 08-27-2004).]

Bruce,

There are many of us on the forum who are using these speakers. I think they are outstanding in the price/performance ratio. I use them for practice at home and small jobs outside the home. I heard them first hand in a mobile home park recreation hall. They easily filled the whole room.

Tom

Bruce,

I've had them for home use for a couple of months. I agree, for the money you can't beat them.
The only reason I hesistate using them for small gigs is because they were not designed to be transported constantly and I'm not sure they would hold up. But I do believe the sound would be adequate to fill a small room.

Ed

I have been using them for three months Bruce and cannot praise them too highly for the money..For venues up to about 60 people they are adequate on their own and for larger venues I use them as monitors taking the feed from the headphone socket on the Tyros and the main amplifier from the back sockets. The only problem I have found was that a couple of times while moving them the front screen came off and the speakers
fell on the floor but no damage was sustained and a spot of superglue soon cured that little problem.

Hope that helps.

Go for it. They are great!
DonM

For home use I find the bass very dominant, even just playing the piano sound with the bass adjustment turned right down (Exound made the same comment in use with his Korg Pa1X).

Otherwise, the clarity of sounds is excellent, I can hear far more going on than with my Yamaha speakers that were originally supplied with my Pa1X.

Bruce if you don't mind the bass is very dominant buy those speakerset, they sound excellent.

Maybe someone knows how to temper those bass? Do spikes do the job??
Or put something in those basswoofer?

Are they suitable for the KN7000?

I would expect them to work very well with any keyboard.
I suspect one of the problems people are having with the bass is that the bass e.q. on the keyboards is being boosted in the internal mixer. I know mine was. I reduced it to zero and have not had a problem with excessive bass. I do have the bass setting on the Logitechs near minimum.
DonM

Have you tried to EQ your KB to lower bass frequencies?

If I could find the EQ settings on the PA1xpro,you know how it goes...first play and after a few months reading the manual,lol.

exound that shouldnt be too hard .....mabe another owner could help you find it ...this EQ will help your bass sound mucho!!!

By the way heres the KORG pax1 manual start reading ......

http://www.korg.co.uk/downloads/support/Pa1X-100F-ENG.pdf




[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 08-24-2004).]

Thanks Dnj, I have the manual but can't find the EQ settings. It sure will help because now I have a piece of foam(?)under the subwoofer but that doesn't help much.

Exound....

open your manual to page 86 MIX/TUNE/VOL/PAN there you will see how to do the EQ adjustments .....Good Luck!

Dnj,I think that's the FX adjustment for individual sounds or styles, what I need is EQ for main output.
When I change some FX to EQ it affects all the sounds...and when I change style other parameters (even other FX)are choosen.
For me it's a difficult part of the keyboard.
I think it's more fun to please the neighbours with my play,lol.
Most of the time I use headphones.
Thx for helping me out.

Jan

Why not just lower the BASS slider down a bit when playing....each style has different bass? It has to have global EQ somewhere?

I had been unable to reduce the bass output on my Pa1X too. So I just contacted Korg and they confirmed this feature does not exist. The only option would be an external EQ.

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Graham

I just gigged with the Z200's today for the first time with the 3k and I was very impressed with the sound for sure.....great system for My small rooms....clean crisp highs & robust Bass in a tight, light little package, vocals clear also....as long as you EQ your KB, and make the proper adjustments to the system these can be used for Restaurants, Small Catering Hall rooms, Assisted Living & Care Centers shows as well with NO PROBLEM with coverage, the sound fills the room so well "Acousticly" without as Uncle Dave mentioned with his Bose PAS system but on a smaller scale.....should of bought them sooner for sure!
Then I'll keep the "Two Big Guns [Barbetta's] " in reserve for the big venues I do so often....all bases are now covered.

Two Thumbs Up!



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 08-27-2004).]

Just picked up the Z2200s as well, they're awesome, especially for small jobs, audiences of less than 30 would be about right. Good tool for small nursing home jobs as DNJ pointed out.

Gary

I would increase that number a bit....
This afternoon I played at a 60th Birthday party 75 people small room NO Problem covering it, I Love this 3pc. system!!!.........
Tonights job 350 people, Dinner Dance so I bring out the Big Guns [Two Barbettas]...
"Use the right Tools..For The Right Job"


Ps. I'd also love to try out the HK Audio 3 PC Systems on a gig also...
they look & probaly sound great also....
but might be hard to find here in the USA....but I'm looking
http://www.hkaudio.com/Portable/Active/lucas_600/




[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 08-29-2004).]

Bruce.....
Good luck with your new Z2200's ....I think you'll like them

Donny... I'd love it also (for you to try out the HK system). It's been referenced to a couple times on the forum with very high praise. I checked out the specs some months ago and was very impressed.

The HK Audio looks like they'd be great, with a price to match. About $1825 US on this UK site:
http://www.directdistribution.org/cat21_1.htm

I'm dying to try the HK Lucas XT & 600 series system.....looks like it would be and awesome sound system I like the 3pc idea alot!
BUT WHERE IN THE USA!!!!!!?

DNJ, Gary, Don, & others:

Why would you use the 3 piece Logitech system in a small/medium venue over one Barbetta? One has a few extra lbs, the other a few extra set-up minutes... pretty much a trade-off, right?

Why? Please elaborate...

Glenn,
The PSRs and Tyros sound MUCH better in stereo. One Barbetta isn't stereo.
As far as I know, that's the whole reason.
DonM

I own the original HK LUCAS (600 Watt - 15'' sub). This has been my main PA for the last three years. Presently, there is a wide range of LUCAS systems, based in the original LUCAS concept. The LUCAS 600 presently in the catalogs has the same power as the original LUCAS but doesn't include the 15'' sub anymore. In its place a 12'' sub (size matters!).

I used this PA in jobs ranging from 50 to 400 people and prefer the sound of this system over the usual 2 x bi-amp speakers (even the Mackies SRM 450). It's a little too heavy for small jobs (but the sub has wheels making it very transportable), so I'm considering purchasing its little brother, the LUCAS XT. For some small jobs I bring my Motion Sound KP200S, but the LUCAS XT sounds better.

In my opinion, the two best qualities of this equipment are: a) very well balanced and punchy sound at ALL volumes - little or no need of equalization; b) unbeatable ratio quality/price (at least in Europe). HK is made in Germany.

-- José.

OK, I not being a Yammy owner, I forgot about their non-stereo problem with some voices. Here's the specs on the LUCAS XT... looks pretty darn good...
http://www.hkaudio.com/Portable/Active/lucas_xt/specs.php

Jose....Is there a HK dealer/importer here in the USA?

Hi Donny.

The HK home page: http://www.hk-audio.com/
I don't know how the distribution of HK is done in the USA but I doesn't seem to be a popular system in your country. I advise you to follow their indications in the "Contact" page: http://www.hkaudio.com/Contact/show_distrib.php?Country=45&cc_id=226

Just sent you (and Glenn) - by e-mail - a PDF review of LUCAS XT that appeared in a Magazine for guitar players, in case you have further interest.

-- José.

Jose.....


Thanx for the review......I love this system.........now I have to find it here in the USA to try out...


what about the POWER Voltage Europe vs USA?

You still haven't seen it and already love it!...

As for the voltage, my LUCAS is 220 V only. If the LUCAS line is officialy distributed in the States (as I appears), I'm sure they sell an "american version" (110 V) of it.

-- José.

Peavey has announced a new Tri-flex system that looks very interesting. www.peavey.com
DonM

Yes Jose I love the "CONCEPT" of the 3Pc package, tilting satelite stands, covers etc.....It seems HK is in touch with "REAL" Musicians!!!

http://www.peavey.com/news/snamm04_triflex.cfm

Looks like the USA verson HK Audio L.U.C.A.S. 1000 system & the Matrix 1000.....I will definitly be trying one of these.

Way to go Peavey !



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 08-30-2004).]

Donny,

Guitar Center started carrying a similar system, B-52 Matrix 1000 (700 Watt) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/602071/
and a larger Matrix 2000 (1200 Watt) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/602072/
The sub is on wheels, and contains the amplifier; the satellites mount nicely on the sub for easy transportation. You will probably find either one in stock at the GC.

Please let us know how they sound.

Regards

http://www.b-52pro.com/start.html





The B52 Matrix Looks great.. but, honestly a bit too much power & weight for my shows.....I love the 3pc concept but in a "Lil Smaller" package....thats why I like the LUCAS 600
http://www.hkaudio.com/Portable/Active/lucas_600/

its perfect for me ...but Dealers, USA voltage?, could be a problem..I need to look into HK a bit more.

The new Peavey system also looks interesting coming soon.....we'll see.





[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 08-30-2004).]

Just to add my $.02 to this discussion...

I bought a set of Logitech Z-2200 speakers based on the comments here. I needed a set of computer speakers for my computer desk anyway and the possibility of being able to use them with my keyboards or with Reason was just an added bonus - plus there is a $50 rebate through October 31: Amazon.com had them for $107 (no shipping or tax) but I think they've raised their price to $109 now. The rebate is from Logitech so final cost is $57 or $59.

Well, for $57 these are very good gaming speakers with enough bass to piss off all of your neighbors handily. Great power, but with 2/3 of the power going to the bass and no real EQ other than a volume control for the subwoofer, these speakers are not good for music IMHO. I tried using Reason with it and got too much bass even with the subwoofer volume set for minimum. I tried my Yamaha 9000 Pro keyboard with them and got the same results - uncontrollable bass. Rolling off the bass EQ in my 9000 Pro helped but not enough to justify using this speaker system live. Wish the satellite speakers could be used by themselves. I don't think it's possible to come anywhere near a flat frequency response with the Z-2200's, but they weren't designed for that anyway.

Spec-wise and especially price-wise (while the rebate is on) the Z-2200 system is good for what it's made for - computer games. They would be clumsy and fragile for gigging and I don't like the muddy bass-heavy sound for music - I'll be keeping my Motion Sound amps, thank you very much. None the less I don't think a better computer-gaming speaker system can be had for $57, so I'm keeping them. Thanks for the info guys!

Jim.....

Funny, those $57.00 Speakers made me alot of money........To each his own..

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-15-2004).]

Jim,

I totally agree about there being more than enough bass. The bass is also not what I would call crisp sounding. I did get acceptable results (not perfect) by rolling off some of the bass on my Tyros. I have used this twice now at my mom's assisted care center. I think for this type of job they are great. I'm thinking about getting a second set and combining them with the first set for the small to medium jobs. Since I paid $109 dollars for my first set and can get the second set for about 60 bucks that would give me 400 watts stereo for about 170 dollars.

Tom,

Excactly the Z2200's are great for
"SMALL GIGS" in "SMALL ROOMS" ......you also have to keep the Satelites High up on the Stands [4-6ft] letting the Kb speakers fill the middle...I think they're profecient & much less sound intrusive to a very intimate small close audience.
For everythng else I use the bigger appropiate sound amplification required for the job!

While any sound system can be used for computer games, the Z-2200 system can be used for a multitude of audio applications. It works extremely well in studio settings, however, if the studio is nothing more than a spare bedroom that is used an office and has a bunch of music equipment in there as well it's not really a studio. I've heard them in a recording studio, one where the walls, cielings and other surfaces were covered special, accustic surfaces that absorbed all sound. Under these conditions they sounded outstanding. If they're being used in a small room with hard surfaces the sound will bounce around like a ping-pong ball and obviously not sound suitable.

I've hooked up my keyboard to the Motion Sound systems and was not impressed. Granted, I only played with them for about 45 minutes, but that was sufficient time for me to decide there was something better, especially in that price range--that's why I went to the Barbettas and have never looked back. As for the Z-2200s, they'll be on the job with me next week at one of the assisted living centers.

Cheers,

Gary

I've used the Logitechs several times at the supper club and get nothing but good comments. I used Hank The Lurker's Motion Sound last Friday and was disappointed. Tonight I took the Barbettas and got a couple of comments like "I'm glad you brought the good equipment again". They didn't like the way the Motion Sound system sounded.
Since I've become accustomed to hearing the Barbettas, it's hard to listen to anything else.
DonM