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#166099 - 08/10/06 03:33 PM Begginner - Have questions
spacecrusader Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 11
ello,

I've been interested in playing the Keyboard for awile - and think I may spring out and buy something now. Wasent sure where to post, noticed this forum was most active.

I have a few questions though.

1.) When a keyboardist in a band plays, is each key sound custom? Is it made like on the keyboard and stored, or on the PC and stored on keyboard?

2.) Looking on Musiciansfriend.com - I see different catgeroies to choose from.
-Synths & Workstations
-Digital Pianos
-Portables/Arrangers
-Midi Controllers

Which best fits what Id like? To create sounds of my own, if thats what people do?

3.) Can anyone recommend anything between $200-$400 dollars that is decent for a begginner? Also a list of good brands would be nice.

Sorry for the "newbie" questions.
Thanks

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#166100 - 08/10/06 04:04 PM Re: Begginner - Have questions
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In the $200 to $400 category you're not going to find anything that will suffice. Figgure on spending at least $1,000 and that for used equipment in good condition. If you are fortunate, a used Yamaha PSR-3000 will be adequate and provide the sounds you are looking for.

Good Luck,

Gary

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#166101 - 08/10/06 05:39 PM Re: Begginner - Have questions
spacecrusader Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 11
Thanks for the input.

A guy recommended these for my budget to start out. Any opinion on these?
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/QS62/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002AGMCI/104-0263788-6353554?v=glance&n=172282

Thanks

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#166102 - 08/10/06 06:02 PM Re: Begginner - Have questions
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Registered: 05/02/02
Posts: 430
Loc: Vancouver, Washington. USA
If you are looking to get into keyboards for the first time, I recommend anything in the Yamaha line. The two that you listed on the previous post would be fine. Also PSR 293/295 or the newer E403. Yamaha does offer low priced entry level boards that have very good sounds and allow you to record some of your own compositions. There are many good options for you. I think the best thing to do is go and get your hands on some of the Yamaha models and decide that way. No real need to spend alot of money if your just starting out.

Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts


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#166103 - 08/10/06 06:11 PM Re: Begginner - Have questions
spacecrusader Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 11
Yeah that sounds cool. I will probably go check some out in person.

I just want to make sure one I choose has that sound customibility. Looking to create some dark electronica key sounds.

Does it come with software, or do you purchase your own? Any recommendations?

Thanks

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#166104 - 08/10/06 06:20 PM Re: Begginner - Have questions
TwoNuts Offline
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Posts: 430
Loc: Vancouver, Washington. USA
This is a quote from another topic about the Yamaha PSR-E403. You can find additinal info , if you do a search on it.

Quote:
Originally posted by CoasterTim:
After looking around and trying to decide which "hold-me-over" board to buy I went with the new Yamaha E403. I am a keyboard hobbiest, not a pro. But I do have a fascination for keyboards, so in the past I have had all the major boards from Technics, Roland, and Yamaha. Right now, I have a 3 yr. old Roland digital piano (KR7), which I suppose, could be described as a full-blown 88-key VA5 in oak. I have no portable board at this time. I am waiting for the successor to the PSR3000.

All that to say I "needed" something cheap to cure my 'portable arranger keyboard withdrawal' after selling my PSR3000 to pay taxes (ouch). Hence, the purchase of the Yamaha E403 (paid $194 off the shelf, including a free power converter)
This is in no way a pro board, but in my opinion, any pro could make this board sound great. It's got just enough good stuff on it to make it sound fabulous for the price. Here are some of the cool and useable features:

- 61 'Yamaha' keys w/touch response
- Pitch bend
- 116 panel voices, 12 drum kits, 361 XGlite voices, 15 arpeggio voices
-"Sweet" Voices: tenor sax, sop sax, trumpet, flute, pan flute
- "Cool" Voices: Galaxy el. piano, organ, rotor organ
- Stereo sampled piano (PSR 2100 quality)
- USB to PC
- Arpeggiator! (50 patterns)
- 2 real-time control knobs (reverb, chorus, filter cutoff, filter resonance, attack time, release time, style and arp tempo, style cutoff, style resonance) Yes, you can create and save changes.
- dual, split voice, harmony
- 155 styles (user styles, too) (one intro/ending, 2 variations, auto fill)
- 6 track sequencer
- 32 voice poly
- 30 internal songs, user songs (up to 99)
- Music Database (256 song setups)
- Registration memory (8 banks, 2 types)
- Performance assistant technology
- Yamaha Education Suite
- Outputs: phone/out, DC in, USB, Sustain
- 2 two-way speakers (just OK)
- cool blue backlit screen & orange-glow buttons
- 15 lbs. (without the 6 D batteries)

Things I miss on this board: DSP, mixer, more intros & endings.

For the price, it is outstanding. I have mine connected to a 200 watt amp, 2 Samson Resolv65's, and my little Behringer 1202fx mixer and it sounds real fine.

This (under)$200 board, compared to the PSR3000, which cost nearly 8 times more, is really a bargain and a lot of fun.

Tim



Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts
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Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

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#166105 - 08/10/06 06:25 PM Re: Begginner - Have questions
TwoNuts Offline
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Registered: 05/02/02
Posts: 430
Loc: Vancouver, Washington. USA
Space Crusader,

If you could go back and edit your second post that list the links to the various keyboards.
If you would break that long HTML string in half, it would make viewing this entire thread a little easier for everybody.
Just go into the middle of the string and hit the enter button on your keyboard. then re-submit it.

If thats not to much trouble.

Dennis
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#166106 - 08/11/06 08:54 AM Re: Begginner - Have questions
Starkeeper Offline
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Registered: 09/16/02
Posts: 1704
Loc: Toronto
Quote:
Originally posted by spacecrusader:
I just want to make sure one I choose has that sound customibility. Looking to create some dark electronica key sounds.

Does it come with software, or do you purchase your own? Any recommendations?

Thanks

If you are looking to CREATE voices, then you want a synth not an arranger. There is very little dark electronica on an arranger. Arranger tend to have very good ACOUSTIC voices.
Most keyboards don't come with software. You can create and change voices on the synth itself.
If you want to create electronic voices on a computer, then you just need a MIDI controller keyboard (the sounds will be produced on your computer with software and a soundcard).
Do a search for Hypersonic 2 on this forum.
Look for posts by Bluezplayer, if you are thinking of creating music with software.
If you're thinking of going the software route you might want to join the Software arranger and softsynth forum here http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=43&SUBMIT=Go
Starkeeper


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#166107 - 08/11/06 12:39 PM Re: Begginner - Have questions
spacecrusader Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 11
On a MIDI controller, do you need the computer there with you? Or does it load it all on the board?

Is there alot of customization you can do with the sounds on a synth? Or does it vary per synth model itself?

Another guy told me that this: http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/_inc/picview.cfm?synthid=530
Used might fit my needs as well. Hows that compared to the QS 6.2

Thanks,
Stevo

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#166108 - 08/11/06 06:27 PM Re: Begginner - Have questions
spacecrusader Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 11
http://www.sweetwater.com/feature/technotes/issue2-ion/

Anyone have an opinion on that? And how different it is from the Alesis QS6.2?

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