The following is an ad for the Tyros 2 which I think sheds a little light on the "4 Layer" keyboard. I think it should be advertised as 4 part multisampled which is what you get with high end soft and hard samplers.

This means that they would sample (for eg) each piano note with a soft strike then a medium strike, then a hard strike and also a very hard strike as it's not just the volume that changes but the tone/timbre as well. this is probably more true of other instruments like reed and brass but that's the general idea.

It is basically how they already implement the megavoices by allocating a different sample for a number of dynamic ranges

The ad also mentions new organ voices !!!!


AD READS AS FOLLOWS:
"The most eagerly awaited keyboard of all time is about to be launched in the UK. The Tyros 2 has some amazing new sounds and functions and will be an instant hit with the professional keyboard community. The Yamaha Tyros 2 will be available by October. Please place your order now to avoid dissapointment.

new hard disk audio recording with optional HD for studio quality CD creation.
new sample playback
new organ section voiced in the UK
Direct USB connection
new super articulation voices which use multiple samples per note and also change the way they react depending which notes you have previously played!
dual RGB output for TV/ monitor connection connection
new drum sounds and styles
400 Styles
textviewer. Import textfiles, for lyrics, and show in the screen. Hit a footswitch to turn page
new mega voices"

Price £2199
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Regards - Keith


[This message has been edited by KFingers (edited 09-07-2005).]

Well one thing in that spec list turned me a bit sour.
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new hard disk audio recording with optional HD for studio quality CD creation.
new sample playback
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Am I reading correctly in that is says "optional" HD?? So in order to use the HD recording feature you'll have to shell out more money to do this? If that's the case, then I truly don't see that feature being worth it at all considering boards are now starting to include HD recording (with multiple tracks). The Alesis Fusion synth has 8 track hard disk recording with large HD standard. Plus more sophisticated sequencer, and voice editing than the new Tyros. Plus the Alesis only cost $1,699. If Yammie is going to make the buyer dish out more money just for HD recording they shouldn't have even bothered adding it to the spec list.

I'm strongly considering the Tyros 1 for my set up. I don't see the need for spending all that extra dough for what they say "will be an instant hit with the professional community". talk about tooting their own horn there Nobody has even used one of these on stage, studio, or in the OMB set up yet.

Squeak

Hey Squeak_D, Have you demoed the Alesis Fusion? Is it out yet? Why would you consider the Tyros "Classic" before demoing the Alesis Fusion?
Star

Starkeeper,
Sadly I haven't had the chance to demo it yet. However, I'll be up north for my sisters wedding next week and I was told that there's a store up there that has one on the floor I have talked to people who own the unit and are COMPLETELY blown away by the synth. One guy was all set to buy the Motif ES6 before he demoed the Alesis. He said after 20 minutes with the Alesis there was just no comparison when it came to features and price.

The reason I'm considering the Tyros classis is because my set up is going to consist of one top quality arranger and one top end synth. I've been eyeballing the Tyros as my arranger, and will come to a conclusion if I get to demo the Alesis next week.

Squeak

Squeak

Squeak,
The Tyros won't have the type of styles that you like. Not sure if you could get those type of styles from the net or 3rd party vendors.
Give us a review of the Alesis once you demo it. Sounds like you are rolling in dough.
Starkeeper

Starkeeper,
When I buy an upper end arranger it's primarily for the ability to write my own styles. oddly enough the only thing I really even use from a preset style are the drums (and bass line if it's funky enough). The Tyros has a good style recorder.

I'm really keeping my fingers crossed and hoping I get to see the Alesis next week.

Squeak

What is the significance of this?

"new organ section voiced in the UK"

Why did they add the UK part? Are the best organ voicing experts located there?

Things that make you go hmmmmm....

Hi Kbrkr
Cant go in to details but I have been reliably informed that there is more then just the Organ voicing that has been done by UK Artists and Demonstrators, quite a few of which were flown over to Japan for a few months at various times during the Tyros 2 development.
Related to the above, I would also like to mention that it is no coincidence that the World Premier of Tyros 2 to the public, will in the UK

Bill


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[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 09-10-2005).]

Sorry, I haven't mastered these posting symbols yet. I was going to point out that the AR-100, which specialised in development of the organ section, was programmed mainly in the UK and largely marketed here (UK). Tyros 1 included some AR-100 organ settings - the preset area using tibia, kinura, etc. Martin Harris is a bit of a specialist in this.

Brian www.tinyurl.com/kqql

I would venture to bet, most worldwide sales of the Tyros were attributed to the UK. ;-)

I could not wait to hear the fusion,went to my local store as soon as they came in and was all set to leave with one untill I played with it with my headphones on that I brought along with me,,--HORRIBLE-- sound set is from the 70s os system needs lots of help--anyone who thinks this sounds anywhere near a ES or a Tyros or SD1 or anything is DEAF !!Im truly sorry Alesis but you better recall these and put some real samples in them. You are better than this...

I concur with Bill (abacus), as I too know "first hand" that UK arranger kb artists & programmers were brought on by Yamaha Japan this time, to develop & produce the newly 'playable' megavoices of which include an "innovatively new" SUPER ARTICULATION live playing FEATURE to add even-more life-like realism to the sound. Can't reveal feature details or people's 'names' right now, but include a former Technics UK arranger design team leader, bringing fresh innovation to Yamaha Tyros sound & feature set, of which includes improved MusicFinder implementation and other surprises. Just wait till you hear it. The demos I heard are a significant sound advancement compared to Tyros1. More impressively revealing Tyros demos (actually played live, not computer sequenced) will appear on Yamaha's site very soon. This along with improved keyboard feel & audio recording (abeit only 2 audio stereo tracks) has got me excited. I'm planning to eventually upgrade to Tyros2 myself. - Scott

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And nobody seems to know that the mega voices and the super A voices are a German invention !(i am sorry, but it is)

Arno

Arno, I wouldn't doubt that for a minute....
German technology and engineering are some of the finest in the world....
Tony Rome

Arno. I realize mega & super articulation voice techology was developed in Germany, but am NOT sorry.

The thing with Tyros2 development is that UK sound designers/programmers have been newly brought on to produce sounds/styles too. If only Yamaha Japan would include Americans as well in Tyros sound/style development, they might be able to bolster USA Tyros sales far above the currently dismal 5% total market share. - Scott

No MP3??? I am suprise that Yamaha don't implement this feature in the Tyros 2. Midjay and Korg PA1X has the ability to play MP3.

coca

Dear Impuls/Others;

The invented name "Mega Voice" [MV] may have been invented by Yamaha Germany, but the technology has been around for many years, before the term was first coined. It is yamahas way of describing mulitple recorded samples per note. Akai (and companies like them) has been doing this for >10-15 years. It is a common practice on sampling keyboards or software. I wouldn't be proad or bragging of the fact that a company has taken old technology and placed it into a new package, giving it a new name , and flogging it to the masses as a break through. I think this technology should have been on keyboards long ago.

The term MV is being use by Yamaha strictly for marketing purposes to generate interest versus truely introducing new technology. Which term sounds better to you; "I am a garbage man, or my occupation is that of a sanitation engineer" ?

These largers sample are now being implemented on mass produced Kbs since memory capacity & processor speed have increased greatly and costs have decreased.But Yamaha's samples are still small compared to what is currently avaliable on the market.

Regards;
BlkNotes

Well if you've not demoed the Alesis Fusion yet, then I would reserve judgement until you do. I did and I thought it ranked even with Wal Mart junk. It has to be one of the junkiest built keyboards of all time IMO.

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jam on,
Terry http://www.musicchops.com/forums/

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Ah man, shoot. They finally got one in at guitar center and I was planning to try it out this weekend. Oh well, just frees up money towards another computer and more samples.

Danny