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#178393 - 08/10/03 03:44 AM Motif ES and mega voices video demo
trtjazz Offline
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Here's another Mo ES video demo:
http://www.sonicstate.com/mirror/snamm03_yamaha_motifes.ram

I will be very interested to try this board out for myself particularily the mega voices as we know they are pretty much impossible to play live. They do not appear to be that easy on the Mo either from the demo, but do look playable.

So my question would now be, what is it they did to the Mo to make them playable and is that also possible in a Tyros update?

Terry



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#178394 - 08/10/03 05:59 AM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
Dnj Offline
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Nice video. Although not an arranger it looks like the Motiff ES can do many things for the creative musician.

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#178395 - 08/10/03 07:08 AM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
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How one can play ram files without installing "real" software?

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#178396 - 08/10/03 07:21 AM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
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Quote:
Originally posted by sk880user:
How one can play ram files without installing "real" software?


You can't....you have to install the real player, which I hate, but you can uninstall it afterwards.
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#178397 - 08/10/03 08:31 AM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
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I recall the Motif uses velocity cross switching to select different samples. Some selection (e.g., of hammer-ons) is done using keys reserved for that purpose. If you have played with Roland's 4-layer scat voice, you will have a sense of how difficult it can be to control velocity. OTOH, in an arpeggio, the Motif-ES can control overall velocity using a slider, which allows precise selection of guitar sounds.


Quote:
Originally posted by trtjazz:
So my question would now be, what is it they did to the Mo to make them playable and is that also possible in a Tyros update?

Terry





[This message has been edited by Clif Anderson (edited 08-10-2003).]

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#178398 - 08/10/03 09:45 PM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
Islander Offline
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Registered: 01/18/03
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Was that demo guys playing chords like the arrangers on the Mo ES? Is this possible on the mo Es?

Thanks
Johnny

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#178399 - 08/11/03 06:06 AM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
trtjazz Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Islander:
Was that demo guys playing chords like the arrangers on the Mo ES? Is this possible on the mo Es?

Thanks
Johnny


Johnny,
Sort of he was using the arppegiators to create a sort of an auto accmp.
Terry



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#178400 - 08/11/03 06:34 AM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
Uncle Dave Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Clif Anderson:
If you have played with Roland's 4-layer scat voice, you will have a sense of how difficult it can be to control velocity.


Oh Wow......I disagree! It's one of my very FAVORITE things to play with those Roland Scats ( the BEST in the biz, I think )
I got very used to the switching in just a few seconds. It's like playing a hand drum with different velocity. Just FEEL the rhythm, and don't think so much.

Remember, just like emulating ANY acoustic sound .... you have to THINK like you are playing the correct instrument. Take the "keyboard skills" out of your memory, and just feel the notes and nuances of the sound. Get INTO the new instrument, and forget that you are controlling it from a keyboard .... it's like acting in a way.

Try it again, and this time .....
to paraphrase Chevy Chase, in Caddyshack:
Be the voices. BE the voices.

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#178401 - 08/11/03 11:26 AM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
Islander Offline
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Registered: 01/18/03
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Thanks Terry!

Johnny

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#178402 - 08/11/03 03:23 PM Re: Motif ES and mega voices video demo
Clif Anderson Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
Oh Wow......I disagree! It's one of my very FAVORITE things to play with those Roland Scats ( the BEST in the biz, I think )
I got very used to the switching in just a few seconds. It's like playing a hand drum with different velocity. Just FEEL the rhythm, and don't think so much.


Ok, let me back out of this gracefully. It doesn't surprise me at all that UD and others can play the Roland 4-way scat program (one of my favorites as well) masterfully. Those that can handle the scat program are good candidates for using the megavoices live.

For contrast, consider a triple-strike piano. If your velocity is on the wrong side of a velocity boundary (e.g., 65 instead of 64) you get a slight timbral variation. In the case of the scat, you get a wrong syllable--which is more disturbing. In the case of a megavoice, you might get a drastic change of timbre--e.g., a mute instead of an undamped string sound. So until you master a megavoice, expect to be a jarred by some errant timbres.

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