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#179658 - 01/07/07 04:32 PM Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
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#179659 - 01/07/07 04:50 PM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
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Wow! There's much to be said for the combined two-keyboard and pedals of an organ set-up. Many of us, including me, try to emulate that concept with much less success than this young lady.

Organ is my main keyboard. Nothing like this, but the versatility and cohesiveness of an organ is far superior to any two keyboards I have ever used together.

I go back to the 'PLAYER' comment from cgiles in another thread. This woman is a PLAYER!
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#179660 - 01/07/07 04:54 PM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
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She did good Actually, if you take a Tyros 2 or similar model, add midi bass pedals, use a split keyboard and the same thing can be done.

I was with the Yamaha dealer that had the top store in the country around 1990. We hosted the Electone festival. What this girl did on the video is stupendous, this is what Yamaha based there organ manufacturing and marketing on. At that time the HX and HS series were the top models. They were hard to understand even to the people in the business and I garuantee that the students who bought them had no clue how to really use all the gizmos even after classes. In other words Yamaha was one of the first organ companies to leave the US because they were building the wrong kind of instrument for 99.9% of US organ hobbyists. Kind of sad, but true.

That's why Lowrey (and Roland kind of) are still in the business. They know what the American public wants in a home organ based on hobbyists needs. They were not designed for a pro, because as the saying always went, they didn't have the money for one.

Just a few insights from 30 years in music retail.

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#179661 - 01/07/07 05:05 PM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
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Having graduated in the Electone Course, and then having taught it for many years, I certainly can appreciate the work that goes into a terrific performance such as this.

I worked with a former Electone World Champion, Mr Claude Dupras, who was a product specialist/Artist for Yamaha Canada and who played with astounding dexterity, much in the same vein as this impressive young lady.

Scott's assessment of Yamaha's marketing strategy is spot on, and it was a shame to see the organ market dwindle in North America.

Thanks for the video.

Ian

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#179662 - 01/07/07 05:26 PM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
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WOW! Back in my high school days which was the late 60's, a young man played the organ like the talented young woman in that video. They would move his HUGE 3 keyboard tier organ to the high school auditorium and he would give a concert. It was amazing how one person could create an entire orchestra with the feeling of a conductor! No keyboard I know of sounds like that!

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#179663 - 01/08/07 01:09 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
bill reed Offline
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hi
i hate to see someone put a floppy in to he organ before playing, you never know just how much she is playing and how much is on the floppy. she does look very talented. have a look at some of the claudia hirschfeld clips on youtube and you see she dont use backing tracks. what you see is what you get.
i use to have a wersi spectra and it was grat till i started having power suppy proples and the amp went faulty in one channle.
i now have a technics kn6000 and a wersi pegasus and they work great together. not so easy to play and set as the spectra, on the spectra you could have 3 voices on the upper. and two on the lower and two on the peddles. and change them all in one button push.
if it had not been so hard to get repaid i'd still have it.
bill

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#179664 - 01/08/07 01:43 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
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Hi bill
If you havent already, try and get to some of the keyboard festivals in the UK, as you will really enjoy the performances from Artists from all over the world.
Also have a look at Mark Whale here. (Main performance starts about 2.5 minutes in)
It also features the Bose L1 speaker system that everybody talks about.
http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=Mark3&link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.en.wersi.net%2FMark3.rmvb

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#179665 - 01/08/07 03:34 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
bill reed Offline
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hi abacus
live up in scotland so hard to see the top organ player, have seen howard beaumont about 6 times live but no one else. i take it your a big fan of wersi keyboard and organ too. i think there fo far ahead of every one else even today.
i think mark is playing over in fife in march and i'll try and see him, its about 200 miles for a round trip to see him.
thanks agin
bill

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#179666 - 01/08/07 07:21 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
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Quote:
Originally posted by bill reed:
hi
i hate to see someone put a floppy in to he organ before playing, you never know just how much she is playing and how much is on the floppy. she does look very talented. bill


I'm with you, Bill, but unfortunately that's
the same mentality we arranger kb players face ...
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#179667 - 01/08/07 08:17 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
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Scott's right, with the technology of today's arrangers and workstations along with MIDI, it is easy to emmulate this style of organ playing. Personally, I think it is even more veratile to use keyboards because each can customize their own setup. If I were ever to add a workstation or synth to my G70, I'd likely add a Motif or something like that. Then I get a whole palette of the Roland sound, and a whole palette of the Yamaha sound. I agree that it might not have the cohesiveness, but the possibilities of what this type of setup can do are endless. Now, as far as classic or real organs go, unfortunatly, the technology does not exist to put these into a keyboard yet. Now of course, they have some stellar organ samples on board, but without sampling every stop and being able to play them in any combination, as far as I'm concerned, you can't beat the real thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gRBCAdC7wI&mode=related&search=
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