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#182262 - 02/27/05 06:14 PM Building a home studio, wiring questions
Pennywizz6 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/04
Posts: 434
Loc: Shakopee, MN, USA
Hello,

I convinced my mom into letting me finish my basement and make it into a home studio for me and my band! Construction will start some time around spring break but id like a head start on what I need.

I live in a townhouse, and making sure its nicely insulated even though it is in the basement and odds are the neighboors wont ever hear it.

Id like to get fancy and put in built in 1/4 jacks in the wall for a much cleaner look along with some XLRs for mics. Where can I go to get some stuff for that?

Just any overall help on what I should do is appreciated!

Thanks!

Phil

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#182263 - 02/27/05 06:39 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Phil,

A couple questions first.

1. Is the basement finished, sheet rock walls, tile ceiling, etc?

2. Or, are the walls bare concrete block, concrete floor, open ceiling?

Most of the electronic components are available at the local Radio Shack store. They have a wide assortment of plugs, connectors, utility boxes, and loads of cable. Their cable prices, however, are outrageous and you can do a lot better by shopping online for heavy-duty instrument cable in 100-foot rolls. I suggest using shielded instrument cables of 18 gauge or heavier if the cable length exceeds 15 feet. If the cable length exceeds 30 feet, I would go to 16 gauge shielded cable. Additionaly, all connections should be soldered--NOT CRIMPED. Crimped connections frequently fail, especially in a damp basement.

Good luck on setting everything up, and feel free to post any questions you may have in the future.

Gary
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#182264 - 02/27/05 06:57 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
Pennywizz6 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/04
Posts: 434
Loc: Shakopee, MN, USA
Thanks Gary,

The room is just studded up right now, it has sort of a foam behind it, its hard to describe, sort of like a glass fiber. The room will be sheet rocked over that, and we will sheet rock the ceiling as well.

The room will be approx 150 by 152 inches minus the thickness of the sheet rock.

Also, would be a good name to look for when shopping for the wire itself and the jacks?

Thanks,

Phil

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#182265 - 02/27/05 09:13 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
harosha Offline
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Registered: 01/02/02
Posts: 193
Loc: Chicago, IL, USA
Phil,

Make sure you check this forum out:
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/index.php

This is the best place to get studio construction advice, you should spend quite some time reading the information there if you want to get your studio to meet your needs.

I recently finished building my studio and got a ton of great advice from very nice people at John's forum. If you are trying to sound proof or isolate the sound from getting out of the basement, then there will be a lot more that you'll have to do construction wise to achieve this. Insulation only will not stop sound from getting out. Search for double leaf construction at John's forum.

You can read about my studio construction here:
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2372

I would actually not recommend buying Radio Shack stuff. Here is where I bought all my connectors, wall plates and wires from. Neutrik is a great brand for connectors. This place is great!!
http://www.partsexpress.com/



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#182266 - 02/27/05 09:37 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Belden has always made the best cable, and I believe is the largest manufacturer in the world. As for the connectors and jacks, Radio Shack does not make them, they only distribute them. Most 1/4-inch jacks are well constructed, as are the XLR plugs, however, there is some minor difference in quality, and price is not always the determining factor.

Before the sheet rock is placed on the walls, this is the time to plan, layout and run the wiring. If the studs are 2X4s, a 1/2-inch auger bit can be used to drill the holds to run the wires through. Place the back boxes a minimum of 18 inches above the floor, which is usually specified by state electrical codes, before the sheet rock is put in place as well. Standard recepticle boxes are all that's necessary, which will provide you with professional-looking, flush-mount wall jacks that will last for years to come. Some electronic stores carry pre-mounted 1/4-inch phono and XLR plugs that have already been installed on stainless steel recepticle plates. They're a bit more expensive, but can save you lots of time and labor.

If at all possible, try to route your mic and equipment cables well away from any AC wiring. This will help reduce the possibility of 60-cycle (Hz) interference.

Good Luck,

Gary
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#182267 - 02/27/05 09:59 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
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Registered: 11/18/02
Posts: 652
Loc: Austin
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2372
Very cool link thanks for the info!

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#182268 - 02/28/05 05:05 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
Pennywizz6 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/04
Posts: 434
Loc: Shakopee, MN, USA
Thanks for the links also, i spent a while looking at the threads and im sure I will post a couple myself.

BTW harosha, that studio of yours... wow... thats beautiful, im much jealious. Its probably a good thing i dont have one, odds are I wouldnt ever come up from the basement.

I liked the carpeted acoustic panels. Did you use a special foam or is it just a wood frame that you carpeted. Does it really decrease flutter echos?

I added up the cost for the built in 1/4s it came to close to 80 bucks minus the wire (i think its 40 bucks for 100 feet). Thats with using http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=248-126 . Are there any cheaper than those? I couldnt find any.

Another Idea I had was to run a 1 inch in diameter pipe in the wall where i needed the wires to run in and out. That would be much cheaper but obviously wouldnt have as clean of a look.

Thanks,

Phil

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#182269 - 02/28/05 06:24 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
Vadim Offline
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Registered: 07/13/03
Posts: 321
An extremely helpfull site(found it today)about studios:http://studio-central.com/phpbb/index.php

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#182270 - 02/28/05 07:00 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
Pennywizz6 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/04
Posts: 434
Loc: Shakopee, MN, USA
Heres a quick image I drew up on CAD. Just for a better Idea on what im working with. http://www.schnickelfritzmusic.com/basementplans.jpg

Thanks!

Phil

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#182271 - 02/28/05 09:02 PM Re: Building a home studio, wiring questions
harosha Offline
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Registered: 01/02/02
Posts: 193
Loc: Chicago, IL, USA
Phil,

Thanks for your comments! I actually like to spend a lot of my time in the studio but, my 3 year old son doesn't let me.

The acoustic panels have rigid fiber glass insulation inside. The insulation is made by Owen Corning model 703. It absorbs all the high and mid frequencies and some low frequencies. The panels on corner (bass traps) are designed to absorb low frequencies. I was able to get rid of most of the flutter echo in the room with these panels. I may have to add some more on the ceiling I think. I will be taking some frequency sweep measurements in the room soon to find out what exactly I need.

The panels are wrapped in acoustic fabric, made by Guilford of Maine. This fabric is specially designed for this purpose, it is acoustically transparent so, the insulation absorbs all the sound.

Now about your wall plates. I bought blank wall plates from Home Depot for about $0.70 a piece, then bought only connectors from parts express: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=092-124

Drill a hole through blank wall plate and install these connectors into it and you have a very cheap custom made wall plate. It will come out to be less than $2.00 per plate.

I have two 1/4" and two XLR on a double gang wall plate for around $7.00 a piece, much cheaper than $45.00 that some plates were selling for.

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