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#185373 - 11/29/05 03:44 PM Cakewalk problems
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I continue to have problems with my Pro Audio 9 AND Home Studio 9. Both programs hang up when a midi file is stopped in progress. The Task Manager says NOT RESPONDING and I have to close the program to get the stuck notes to stop.

I loaded Home Studio thinking a new program would not give me a problem. It sticks too. My Power Tracks and VanBasco players work just fine.

It has to be something with Cakewalk. I've tried other forums, but no response. C'mon guys, I've got a job next week and I need my cw9.
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#185374 - 11/29/05 06:45 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Alright, a couple of things:

1). Click on Start, click on Run, type in MSCONFIG and click on OK. On the General tab, put the bullet in Selective Startup and uncheck Load Startup Items. This will disable any programs that start during bootup (in the Run key of the registry and the Startup folders). Click OK and reboot the machine and try Cakewalk again. We're looking to see if the problem is caused by another program running in the background. (?)

Still doesn't work, go through the above procedure again and uncheck the Selective Startup bullet and reboot. (puts things back)

2). There could be a bad setting in the 'aud.ini' file found in the Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 folder. You can delete the file and start Cakewalk to create a new one, rename it to 'aud.old' and then start Cakewalk to create a new one, or open the existing file in Notepad and delete all entries after the PictureDir entry.

(cut & paste from my setup)

[Aud]
DataDir=D:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Cakewalk Pro Audio 9\WaveData
PictureDir=D:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Cakewalk Pro Audio 9\Picture Cache
PicCacheMB=20
CopyOnImport=1
ReadCache=0
WriteCache=0
ClipMix=1
VolMethod=0
PanMethod=0
DiskBufSize=64
DiskRecBufSize=64
DiskBuffers=32
Dither=1
ZeroFillMethod=2
MixScheme=0

I'm assuming you did try a reinstall. Did you delete all the folders so as to start fresh? If so, then I doubt if step #2 will make a difference since you probably did create a new file during first-time startup.

Hmmm, you gotta good one here.

-mike

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#185375 - 11/29/05 08:26 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Yikes! Mike, I tried both suggestions and still no change. I even installed a new Sigma Tel sound driver from Dell, disabled and re-enabled my VSC-3 driver and switched my GS Wavetable Synth off aqnd on.

Again, my other midi programs work fine. This program is hanging up. Why??? Urgh!!!
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#185376 - 11/30/05 06:47 AM Re: Cakewalk problems
Michael P. Bedesem Offline
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Registered: 11/26/99
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Loc: Shrewsbury, VT
You might check that "Zero Controllers" is set in Project Options. Otherwise, a call to Cakewalk might be in order.

Regards,

Michael

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#185377 - 11/30/05 07:26 AM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Yet it use to work, right?

Maybe a system restore back to previous date might erase the problem. (?)

-mike

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#185378 - 11/30/05 07:32 AM Re: Cakewalk problems
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1. Go in to the Control Panel, select Administrative Tools, Event viewer, open the Hardware and Applications records, and it should give you an idea of where the problem lies, (Double click the error message to get more details) and where to look to fix it.
2. Is it just the program that hangs or the whole computer, if it is the program, then you may need more memory, as from what I gather Cakewalk is very memory hungry, if it is the computer then it is more likely a memory conflict, and will show up in the event viewer.
3. Right click My Computer, select Properties, Advanced tab, Performance settings, Advanced tab, Virtual Memory Change, and make sure it is set to either system managed size, or at least 3 times the amount of memory you have installed. If you have more then one drive or partition, then move the paging file to a drive or partition that does not contain the operating system.
Hope this helps.

Bill
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#185379 - 11/30/05 11:18 AM Re: Cakewalk problems
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It looks llike the hanging problem goes back to 10/24. Previous to that I was having some kind of problem with my VSC32 program. I have disabled and enabled that sound source many times. Maybe I need to uninstall it.

Hanging application cwpa.exe, version 9.3.0.660, hang module hungapp, version 0.0.0.0, hang address 0x00000000.
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#185380 - 11/30/05 11:41 AM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Here's more - Once I press play I can continue to adjust and change patches, banks, tempo. I can even load another song. But once the original song stops - anywhere, even before the midi file plays - the program hangs up. Sometime using Ctrl+Alt+Del will free it up. At other times I have to wait for the Task Manager to close it.
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#185381 - 11/30/05 04:13 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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This could be a driver problem, so uninstall all drivers from your sound control hardware, restart the computer and let windows install them again in the order that windows requires.
Make sure you have the latest direct X software, (9c) use Windows Update to check and at the same time see if there are any Hardware Updates.
Go into Programs, Accessories, System Tools, System Information and on the Tools Menu, select Direct X Diagnostic tool and see if any problems show up there.
With the software you are running make sure you have at least a 2.5 GHz CPU and 1 GB of Ram.
Hope this helps.

Bill
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#185382 - 11/30/05 08:42 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Bill, I may do that but not yet. All of the drivers seem to be working properly everywhere else, including on Power Tracks, VanBasco, Real Player, Creative media Souurce and Windows Media Player.

The program is hanging up pretty much on its own. But you have given me valuable info before, so maybe it's time to give this route a try too. It's just that I'm reluctant to try it - it's like pounding a nail into a wall; can't do that too easily either. Give me strength...
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#185383 - 12/01/05 09:59 AM Re: Cakewalk problems
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NO, no, no ... I have done everything everyone has suggested. I have permanently uninstalled my VSC-3.2 synth, leaving only the resident Sigma-Tel driver. DirectX 9c is/has been there.

I'd pull my hair out, but there's none there to pull. Somebody help, PLEASE!!!
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#185384 - 12/01/05 03:24 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Registered: 11/17/99
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As far as I can see One solution only:
Fresh install of windows.

To avoid same problem or to nail the problem;
1. Fresh install of windows XP
2. Update to the latest windows XP
(including media player,direct X graphic drivers if needed etc..)
3. Install CPA 9
See or the problem has gone.
4. Install the other audio and midi software and after each install restart and see or CPA 9 still works.
Once the problems come back at least you know what's the cause.

Allthough a bit time consuming still faster as looking for a problem which can't be traced.
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#185385 - 12/01/05 03:46 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Fresh reinstall of XP will not solve the problem,, it will just create serious downtime, the fault is related to Cakewalk, so uninstall the program, restart the computer, then follow this link to download a program called Reg Cleaner, http://www.majorgeeks.com/download460.html run the program, follow instructions to clean out old registry entries, then restart your computer and finally install Cakewalk.
Create a system restore point before running Reg Clean.
Hope this helps.

Bill
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#185386 - 12/01/05 05:04 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Bill, I downloaded RegCleaner and I couldn't decide to eliminate any of the items in the registry. I don't know what to do with it. I've already uninstalled and reinstalled Cakewalk.

I have a week to solve this. If I don't I will be doing a job with different software. Power Tracks may finally make the starting lineup.

Remember, when I installed Home Studio 9 I had the same problems. The frustrating thing is that to my knowledge nothing has changed with my sound set up to cause this problem. The only other music type activity is ripping CDs to my mp3 player, and that's working fine too.
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#185387 - 12/01/05 05:27 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Quote:
Originally posted by abacus:
Fresh reinstall of XP will not solve the problem,, it will just create serious downtime,
Bill


????
He is now facing this problem since 11/22 (see his other thread)
What do you mean by serious downtime??

A fresh install of the O/S takes an hour at the most, then if you have the updates ready add another hour and your done...

I agree it looks like a CPA problem but you won't find it with a mixed up registry unless you have weeks of time available.
Let alone the frustration. (;

By the way forgot to mention.. If the problem is there wright after the fresh install ,(so after point 3. mentionned) install again the O/S but then without service pack 2 update and try again.
Don't try to fix it at this point!
That's useless...

Fred



[This message has been edited by freddynl (edited 12-01-2005).]
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#185388 - 12/01/05 07:03 PM Re: Cakewalk problems
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OK guys, I have one more question. What about OTHER configuration settings in Cakewalk. I have 4-5 other besides AUD:

cakewalk - CW9AudDX - TTSSEQ - waveprof

There is a midi in/out activity monitor on the bottom toolbar. It doesn't close when Task Manager closes Cakewalk. I have to reopen CWPA or open a midi in Media Player or something like that for it to close. This is why I suspect a value in a config setting - it only applies to Cakewalk, not any other program that plays midi. If you want to continue this thru email, please do.

I'm cassp@comcast.net
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#185389 - 12/02/05 02:28 AM Re: Cakewalk problems
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Reg Clean
If you set a system restore point before you run reg clean, then if it goes wrong you can get it all back, however as reg clean backs up all the files it deletes, you can put them back from within the program itself.
As to what to delete, on the main page select all entry’s that relate to programs that you have uninstalled, (Uninstall Cakewalk first) and remove them. From the tools menu choose “do all” option, and delete all that reg cleaner shows restart your computer and then install Cakewalk.
For home users 2 hrs or so with the loss of computer use is ok, but when your computer is your living, or part of a network, then 2 hrs is serious downtime, and is to be avoided if at all possible. (Administrators will know that keeping the system up and running until the working day is over is paramount, and managers get very annoyed if you don’t achieve this)
Hope this helps.

Bill
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