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#189041 - 06/30/03 06:16 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Hi Terry (or Tony): You forgot to answer my question. I'm still dying to find out what 'instrument voice' that percussion instrument sound is which continously plays throughout the song? Fran thinks it's a vibe sound, but I'm not convinced. I assume it's a drumkit instrument note assignment as the 'same' pitch is played throughout the song and which doesn't change as the chord harmony changes.

Lukitoh: I certainly hope you weren't refering to me as one of the naysayers, because I find a lot to like about both Terry & Tony's music. My questions were meant to help me understand the music more, and my comments meant to offer ideas from just my point of view only.

Scott
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#189042 - 06/30/03 06:42 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
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Originally posted by lukitoh:
Terry,

Keep sharing your songs ! Just ignore the naysayers. At least you can compose a tune ! Most guys can't even compose one lousy song although they can play thousands of tunes out of memory.


Lukitoh,
Thanks for the listen and encouragement.
Terry

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#189043 - 06/30/03 06:46 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
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Scott,
You mean you don't have that patch on your Tyros under the synth sound effects? It's the "annoying pipe clanging" patch.

Fran was correct they are vibes meant to just accent a counter beat to the main theme hence the same notes (something akin to a heartbeat), for the "Hearts &"
Terry

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#189044 - 06/30/03 07:52 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Ensnareyou, maybe I am less critical then you with our fellow on line members,,I don't think we have to respond as "experts"..True I did not listen thru high end monitors..I did listen thru a high end sound system[who can say for sure that the mix was to be suited for a large system..Your monitors are designed most likely for on air/radio play..As for Houston, yes I have heard her in a less desireable production, called live...It was much less forgiven than a studio project..and as you stated in your last paragraph, I find to be true with Whitney..
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#189045 - 06/30/03 09:07 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
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Fran.....my thoughts were also no-one that will ever hear my work will be listening through high end engineering professional studio monitors, in their car or home systems. For those that do own such gear then they deserve to hear ever little bit wrong and right...so they can be sure they got their money's worth.

The wav file sounds great through the average listening systems, which is what my customers own.

I'm not producing cds for engineers, my work is aimed at the average listening and buying public and that is who I am trying to please beyond myself. I appear to be successful at that as no-one has asked for their money back and those that have bought before come back and buy more.
Terry

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#189046 - 06/30/03 09:20 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
I had to go listen to see what all the discussion was about.
It's a good song. Like Scott, I don't like the clanking sound. Like ensnareyou, I think the vocals would be better with a little less processing and a little more upfront, but that may just be individual taste. I don't find the strings too loud. I'm listening on a $1,000 stereo system, but it isn't a studio-grade monitor system.
I think the comments are pretty much well spoken and constructive. Keep up the good work!
DonM
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#189047 - 06/30/03 09:43 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
Idatrod Offline
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Registered: 07/23/02
Posts: 562
Loc: Oceanside, CA USA
Terry, I enjoyed the tune. It has a good rhythm to it. I have to agree with Ensnareyou and Scott though that the Strings and Percussion (Vibe) and Bass were just a tad too loud in the Mix although I thought the vocals were very discernable and at a decent level. Also on the matter about all the signal processing, I think it is great that technology allows us the ability to strengthen and enhance our vocal capability. Some of us (me included) are excited by that fact. And as time goes by I think Vocal Processing will just get better and better.

Terry, the Vocals do sound somewhat over processed; perhaps too much Reverb or Echo effect maybe. I realize you have only had the TC Helicon Voice Works a short time and knowing all the tricks and tips about using it is an ongoing process. All in all I think the song has great potential.

Best regards,
Mike

PS: "I just love Postscripts btw" As you can tell by my frequent use of them. Now, about using a Vocal Processor in a live situation I think it is a great idea with great potential. And it CAN be done imo. Very easily in fact. Just hook up the Mic to your Vocal Processor, run the lot through your Mixer, Amp, and Speakers and Voila! Although the Mic would have to be corded of course. I would think in a few years the Vocal Processors will be able to use a Wireless approach which would be more convenient for an Artist. With these new high end Vocal Harmonizers, eg. TC Helicon's Voice One, etc., anybody's voice can sound better. Except for maybe Don Knotts. And what's wrong with a voice sounding better? And when used discriminately and appropriately I think the audience would be thrilled to pieces too. I am sure a lot of it goes on in a Live venue in the Professional Music World today. Just don't be caught in a spur of the moment type thing where you have to sing without the use of your sidekick if your voice is really substandard. I suppose you could make excuses to get out of it if worse comes to worse.

Mike

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#189048 - 06/30/03 10:12 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
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Don & Mike, thanks for the listen and input. I should mention too that Tony is not to "blame" on what you like or don't like about the recording end of it, that is my doing. And Don I too think very constructive comments from all but don't anyone be offended if I do not use the suggestions.
Terry


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#189049 - 07/01/03 08:02 AM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
I don't take offense easily especially about something as objective and creative as a song. It's your song and it should sound the way you want it to sound!
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#189050 - 07/01/03 12:04 PM Re: Collaborative tune w/ Tony W
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Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
I don't take offense easily especially about something as objective and creative as a song. It's your song and it should sound the way you want it to sound!
DonM


Don, I did not mean you in particular I meant it as a general comment, that all of us should not get our panties bunched up if the reiviewed does not follow the suggestions.
Terry

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