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#189743 - 07/25/01 10:30 AM SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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I am feeling VERY excited today. I just received an email (and program file attachment) from Sandro Fontanella (Ketron, Italy). He sent me an SD1 "beta version" software update which includes the 'rootless chord' voicing recognition that I have been requesting for since January.

Sandro says he has implemented the chord voicings I requested as outlined in my Synthzone posting thread:
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/001167.html

Unfortunately I don't own an SD1 (yet) so cannot test this out. Luckily, forum member friend, Roel de jonge, has agreed to test this out for me and I'm VERY anxious to find out the results. If there are any other Synthzone member SD1 owners or dealers out there interested in checking this out, please let me know. - Scott
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#189744 - 07/25/01 11:47 AM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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great news Scott, so whn ae you getting one? start saving your money :>)

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#189745 - 07/25/01 01:19 PM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
Henry01 Offline
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Registered: 03/06/01
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Loc: Dublin, California, USA
Scott,

That is great news. I would love to try it out on my SD1. Please email me a copy. Thanks.

Henry
henryhoho@lycos.com

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#189746 - 07/25/01 02:26 PM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
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Hi DNJ, I certainly am getting MUCH closer to going with the SD1, especially with the news of the rootless chord voicing recognition finally being implemented. I wonder if Solton will be able to clear up (via OS upgrade?) the noisy DSP (chorus?) effects that was reported by Dreamer and confirmed by Roel as well. All in all though, the SD1 looks like the STRONGEST contender in consideration for my next arranger keyboard. I just wish I could find an SD1 located near me (within 100 miles) to audition. Still looking but (so far) NO success. - Scott

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#189747 - 07/25/01 02:45 PM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
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Registered: 04/01/01
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Loc: Norway
Hmm...
Scott, it seems that you're a kind of
"hooked" on the new SD1, even before you've
heard or seen it "live"
Wondering about what happens when you get the chance to try it.
It's going to be quite a job to rebuild all your
backing presets
GJ
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#189748 - 07/25/01 02:58 PM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
Scottyee Offline
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Hi Gunnar, Actually I DID have a chance to play the SD1 (abeit VERY briefly) back in January and was quite impressed with both sound/styles .

I probably won't make a FINAL decision until I can audition the SD1 once again now that the rootless chord recognition has been added. Funny thing is that this may prove a MORE difficult feat than the implementation of the rootless chord recognition feature itself, because (so far) there are still NO Solton dealers in Northern California willing to stock the SD1. Whether I decide to purchase an SD1 or not, I WILL continue to be a devoted Technics arranger keyboard fan and will probably purchase the KN7000 eventually as well - Scott
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#189749 - 07/25/01 03:05 PM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Loc: Middletown, DE
Scott,
That was some good news indeed. Please send me a copy of the OS upgrade. What else does this OS contain in terms of changes?
Send OS to:-

ketron_tech@yahoo.com

Thanks ...
AJ
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#189750 - 07/25/01 03:52 PM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
Scottyee Offline
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CLARIFICATION: This is NOT an official SD1 OS update release. It is a 'BETA TEST' version which Sandro sent to me to test out the newly implemented jazz style rootless chord recognition feature. After installation, the OS version still reads 1.0A. Preliminary reports I got from Roel show that this update DOES recognize all of the rootless voicings I originally requested (except one). I am delighted because this one exception (F-A-B-E = Fmaj7b5 instead of G13) is not so important because F-B-E is already recognized as G13.

My only question NOW is are these 'rootless' chord voicings recognized in BOTH "full keyboard" AND "split keyboard" modes?

ALSO, Another important test to perform is to verify that these SAME chord voicings are recognized properly in all OTHER keys as well. Such as:

'Left hand' chord voicings in 'full' and/or 'split' keyboard modes:

G - D - F# : Em7(9)
G - C# - F#: A13
F# - B - E : D69

Bb - F - A : Gm7(9)
Bb - E - A : C13
A - D - G : F69

A - Eb - G : F7(9)
E - Bb - D : C7(9)
D - Ab - C : Bb7(9)

Two handed chord voicings in full keyboard mode:
Ab - D - G C - F - Bb : Bb13
(left hand) (right hand)

F - B - E A - D - G : G13
(left hand) (right hand)

Perhaps Roel, Dirk, Henry, and AJ could report back the results of playing the above voicings . MANY MANY thanks - Scott

[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 07-25-2001).]
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#189751 - 07/25/01 03:59 PM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Scott,
The keyboard is the way you make a living. Take a couple days off and drive down to George Kaye's shop. You don't change keyboards very often, so that would be a small feat for such a big decision.
DonM


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#189752 - 07/25/01 04:26 PM Re: SD1: Rootless Jazz Chord Recognition - News at LAST !
notlos Offline
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Registered: 04/03/00
Posts: 353
Loc: Belgium
Hi Scott,
I will test this upgrade for you, but my sd1 is now not at my home !! i have several gig's this moment, and he is always traveling in the car of our musicians. Still i think at this moment the recognizing of some chords are very good of the x1 and sd1.
I can use several jazzchords on both.
You must only take sometimes 5 notes to recognize the chord.
Some examples :
left hand chords:
G-B-DB-F = G7b5
G-A-Bb-D-F = Gm7/9
G-A-C-D-F : G11 (or Dm7/G)
G-A-B-D = G2
G-Bb-C-Db-E = C7b9
C-E-G-A-D = C6/9
ETC.....
Scott, its not always the jazzvoicing you'll take normally on the piano or keyboard for the left-hand(and not always rootless), but the arranger recognize all this chords. Also b10 chord you can play. Another trick is to play the harmony's(with the tensions) on the right site of the keyboard and the basic chord on left(arranger).
Regards Dirk.
http://www.mp3.com/dirkbaert



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