Hi all!!!

My music teacher is going to buy a new keyboard, She wanted to buy the new Genesys,
but she didn't know about the Tyros yet,
But I have told her about the Tyros,
After reading the specs of the Genesys and Tyros, I think the Tyros is a more appropriate keyboard for her,
Because she gigs often, although she going to use her WK4 for most gigs, she wants to use her new keyboard for bigger gigs.
I think the Tyros is better for gigging because it is much lighter.
The Tyros is cheaper as well,
The Genesys offers a lot of extra's, like a CD (re)writer, and it has internal speakers.
But she already has a CD-(re)writer in her pc, and she is using external speakers as well.
But I've heard the demos of the Tyros and the Genesys and I think the Tyros sounds better, but I have to play both of them to judge them properly.
So has anyone played both of them?, and what do you think is best?
I would really appreciate if someone would tell their opinion about this.

Greetz,
Marcel

Same boat, have a SD-1 and a VA-7, selling the VA-7 and can't decided between the Genisys or Tryos ( colorful names )

Frank

It's impossible to decide on something that has not yet been made available for sale, if it is indeed finished.
Personally I would not want to haul around anything that weighs as much as the Genesys (I wish they had named it something that is easier to remember how to spell!).
Yamaha will no doubt release the Tyros soon, but it still could be 2003 before we see it in the US. Hope I'm wrong. Then, the early buyers can field-test it, report the bugs and wait several months while Yamaha denies that they exist. Then wait a little longer for them to be fixed. Again, I hope I'm wrong but that has been their history.
DonM

Don,
You're right about the release date for the Tyros here in the US.. That really sucks too.. There stuff is so much better over there and they have different versions of keyboards they don't offer here in the US.. Here's a good example.. Yamaha had the EX-5 selling here in the US, and it was a metalic blueish keyboard.. Well overseas they had the same keyboard but it was in a silver version and had a few more things added to its specs.. It was much better looking than the US model.. Actually if anyone can do a search, go search for Yamaha EX5S... If you do you'll see where the 9000 Pro got it's body remake from.. Hoepfully you can find one that has angled pics because you'll see the same placement for the floppy and nearly identical end caps.... Plus it's silver... Again we in the US didn't have access to this keyboard.. Also anyone see the Oriental version of the Roland EM-55 on any US sites yet? It's on the Roland UK site, but not on the US site.... We seem to get cheesed out on the keyboards here in the US.. Maybe some US companies should start banging out some nasty keyboards here in the US and make them available to us and not overseas

Squeak



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Squeak_d,
Here is how the Em-55OR looks... http://www.rolandmusik.de/ftp/pub/fotos/EM-55OR-Rendering.jpg

Vic is this a US site?

Nope, it's the german Roland site. I see your point though. didn't read your post to the end though sorry .

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Vic:)

I hope this keyboard(EM-55OR) gets to the US because this is what I've been waiting for scince 1998.

Hi there. I've heard both Tyros and Genesys and purchased a Genesys which I've had for 2 weeks now. Personaly I can't stand Yamaha styles or sounds and I've never rated the PSR range at all, so, Tyros wasn't even on my short list.
The Genesys MP3 demo's are mainly latin inspired on Gems site, but the demos inside the keyboard are far better and should be put up on Gem's site instead.
The keyboard is very easy to use, sounds and styles are superb, it may be heavier than the competition but it certainly isn't too cumbersome to carry about. The CDRW is superb to use and you get excellent recordings, MP3 playback is great, the vocaliser I find better than on the SD1.... Too many things to mention about Genesys, I like it. The real time sliders make changing sounds when playing live, far quicker than any other keyboard I've seen.
Listen to both, but at the moment Synthzone seems to be too opinionated towards Technics and Yamaha. I always associated Gem as being an organ company and behind the times, but now I have one, they are definitely up there with the rest and have produced a great arranger.
I also own a Ketron SD1, Roland G1000 and Kurzweil K2500.

Eyrec, you said:

"I can't stand Yamaha styles or sounds and I've never rated the PSR range at all, so, Tyros wasn't even on my short list"

I would like to know more about it. Why you can't stand Yamaha sounds? What your feeling about them?

Thanks

Thanks for the info on Genesys. I am thinking of either Tyros, Genesys or the portable Clavinova PF1000. Can you comment on the Genesys piano sound?

Thanks


Hi there. I've heard both Tyros and Genesys and purchased a Genesys which I've had for 2 weeks now. Personaly I can't stand Yamaha styles or sounds and I've never rated the PSR range at all, so, Tyros wasn't even on my short list.
The Genesys MP3 demo's are mainly latin inspired on Gems site, but the demos inside the keyboard are far better and should be put up on Gem's site instead.
The keyboard is very easy to use, sounds and styles are superb, it may be heavier than the competition but it certainly isn't too cumbersome to carry about. The CDRW is superb to use and you get excellent recordings, MP3 playback is great, the vocaliser I find better than on the SD1.... Too many things to mention about Genesys, I like it. The real time sliders make changing sounds when playing live, far quicker than any other keyboard I've seen.
Listen to both, but at the moment Synthzone seems to be too opinionated towards Technics and Yamaha. I always associated Gem as being an organ company and behind the times, but now I have one, they are definitely up there with the rest and have produced a great arranger.
I also own a Ketron SD1, Roland G1000 and Kurzweil K2500.[/QUOTE]

I'm guilty of judging the portability of the GEM from hearing the specs. I would like to have a chance to demo it, but that may not be possible.
It sounds like a great keyboard.
DonM

If you can, save them to a floppy (or CD)(CD burner....very cool!) and attach them to an email and I'll post them on a web server I run here.

msutliff@tc.umn.edu

I will assume that you can save the demos as .wav or better yet .mp3's (didn't I read that in the specs somewhere). If not, then I guess you can disregard this message.

Keep on enjoying that new keyboard!

mike

Hi there.
Answers to the various questions asked are:-
I feel Yamaha sounds and styles don't have enough presence/feeling to them, this is just my personal taste and for everyone who agrees with me someone would disagree, so I don't intend starting a what is best debate.
The Genesys has loads of piano sounds which are all very good. I've always considered my SD1 and G1000 to be best in my opinion for piano sounds but the piano's in the real sounds bank are superb and you can edit them even further to your hearts content.
I can save all the demos as MP3 files but they are quite large files. I do have ADSL so I'll send the guy who asked for some of them a few, so he can post them onto his site. I could also send some songs of myself playing after I've fathomed out how the CDRW works. I've been that busy programming my own setups and styles I haven't had time to record anything yet.

Hi eyrec,
I recall a posting where you weren't too happy about some software problems on your Genesys. Are these fixed?


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Roy-Andrè

The problem was with playing midi files. I don't use these as I play live and only use the odd backing that I've done in Cubase and Pro tools (which will now be an MP3) but I thought I'd check the ones out that come with the keyboard.
Some midi files picked the wrong sounds, but Gem have an update to the OS coming anytime now. They know about this problem and have said it is fixed.
The system freezing hasn't happened since I put on a newer OS and it could have been the midi file that caused this problem anyway.
As for the hissing sound, thats completely gone.
Since I've edited some sounds and changed the reverb/spatial settings, everything sounds excellent. This keyboard is definitely great and is actually easy to use. For a live performer it is very quick to change sounds and styles without having to wade through endless screens or button bashing. Also if you sing, the vocaliser is very good too and the free microphone that comes with every Genesys is also of a good quality. Obviously not a Beyer but certainly acceptable for doing your own recordings.
Definitely don't give this a miss if you are in that money bracket when purchasing.
Also, it's not that heavy. Fair enough heavier than the others, but certainly not impossible to lift.



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Hi All and hi Eyric.
I am going to be short here cause I just had a long trip to go and get my GENESYS.
Just a few comments but I will make a full report, I agree 110% with Eyric that the sounds and styles are very good and easy to edith although there are some thing I don't like for when performing live, but shurely not the sounds and styles, every one is making a big deal about the wieght, true heavy but it is not the end of the world to carry it, I gig nearly every night at different places and I have had the WK4 for over 6 years, I have managed. that is all I can say for now but I'll keep all of you informed on my findings. One more thing before I end litening for one hour or a quick demo is not enough to get to know a good keyboard, even myself got a bit confused with genesys even though I've had wk4 for all these years.

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