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#193778 - 10/13/06 05:25 AM G70 vocal settings
HankB Offline
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Registered: 01/23/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Bossier City, La. USA
Don Mason, Bill (SemiLiveMusic) and myself worked with both of my G70s yesterday the main complaint with the sound is the singer EQ I don’t understand how to change the frequency (EQ ) to add lows or mids to the mike (singer) settings and save all changes to startup memory. When I put enough lows on the mixer to make the mike sound decent the styles were to boomie and bassie. I trust the ears of Don and Bill and they both were of this option. The mike setting needs more low frequency to add the fullness I need for my voice; the overall vocal sound needed balls, the styles were okay. Bill thought the piano was thin but this could possibly be fixed with the proper Eq on the mixer. Overall this is a great keyboard I just need to spend time with the nuances of Roland. Any suggestions would be received with my thanks.

Hank

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#193779 - 10/13/06 05:41 AM Re: G70 vocal settings
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Hank,
I think it will be easy enough when we get a little time.
I was pleasantly surprised with the overall sound of the G70. I initially didn't like it at all, but realize now that most of it was probably the e.q. This time, the drums and bass on the styles were outstanding and very live sounding, and I also liked organs, harmonica, sax and paricularly the vocal scat sounds. Acoustic guitars were good, but the electrics might need a little research to seek out the appropriate ones. The default piano sound when you first turn the keyboard on is really good, so I suppose you and Bill were hearing an e.q.'d or edited version somehow.
If it didn't weigh 3000 pounds I might consider one! And that's a big turnaround from my initial impression a few weeks ago.
DonM
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#193780 - 10/13/06 06:21 AM Re: G70 vocal settings
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Hey Don Tony Rome is looking for a Tyros

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#193781 - 10/13/06 07:00 AM Re: G70 vocal settings
nielshs Offline
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Registered: 11/02/04
Posts: 342
Hi Hank

You can use the eq in the Vocal Harmonist menu.

Niels
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#193782 - 10/13/06 07:06 AM Re: G70 vocal settings
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Hey Don Tony Rome is looking for a Tyros


I've spoken with Tony, but trust me, I will not be getting a 50-pound keyboard in this lifetime.
DonM
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#193783 - 10/13/06 08:52 AM Re: G70 vocal settings
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14268
Loc: NW Florida
I'm afraid I turn off the mastering compressor and eq on my G70. I prefer outboard eq and compression (you GOT to try the FMR RNC comp in 'super nice' mode!) and really feel that half the sound problems people say they hear in the G70 come from too radical compression and eq settings in the factory defaults. Less is more......

The way to get a good 'live' sound is to NOT compress your keyboard - it doesn't have half the dynamic range (or less!) of a real band, and over-compressing that already compressed dynamic makes for a 'squashed', small, flat sound with no life. Try to almost exaggerate the dynamics, and then strap a good multi-stage compressor on the final mix of your show. That way, your whole mix comes out smoother, not just a squashed keyboard and very dynamic singing and whatever else you are playing with.

Trust me, the only good way to get a good idea of what real band dynamics are is to PLAY IN ONE....... and then take those experiences with you to your arranger, and don't settle for that 'CD' sound. Try to sound like what you are imitating, NOT a CD of it.........

Now, if you really want that CD sound, by all means go ahead and squash it all to death, but any decent mastering engineer will tell you, each and every song and arrangement needs different compressor settings to avoid pumping and breathing, and most of our keyboards only store the master settings globally, NOT per registration. It is FAR easier to mess up a track with compression than it is to improve it.

The G70's vocal settings need to be written to a registration (or UPG in Roland-speak), and then that registration can be made into the startup UPG (power up selects whichever UPG you choose in the Global page). The vocal section has it's own dedicated eq and compression section, you shouldn't have to mess with the master eq to eq your vocal mike.........
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