Stam,

Is there some literature about the mathematics of Arabic music? Because I'm completely clueless in this area. I understand that in Arabic scales some tones are detuned half a semitone. What I don't understand is how you can play chords after that. A C-chord would sound as a different chord type as a D-chord because the intervals between the notes would be different from each other.

Vquestor,

Thanks for reminding me. The QY22 is not XG but the QY70 and QY100 are added to the list.

Jos

Awarenessengine,
You asked,"Where's the product focus?" The focus comes from the consumer/musician (not the manufacture). The musician decides what sounds, styles, drum kits, etc. are on the board not Yamaha marketing. I will never play pokas, so why is it on my board?
You asked,"Where do products like the Tyros come from in the future? Where do gems like the Trinity's, i30's and Motif's come from?". Software updates.. Not a whole new board.
Why should I have to buy a new keybed, new amplifier, new speakers, new case, new box, new manual, to get a couple of new styles and a couple new sounds, and a minor tweak of the o/s? These should be software updates, not hardware equipment updates.
Star

Jos,

I am not a specialist in the Eastern music but I use sometimes the 1/4 of tones.
What I can say is that the interval is not modified between 2 notes even if one detune a note inside this interval.

For example: the interval between A and C:

A to Bbemol: 1/2 tone
Bbemol to B: 1/2 tone
B to C: 1/2 tone

The total is 1,5 tone


If you detune the B to B-1/4, then:

A to Bbemol: 1/2 tone
Bbemol to B-1/4: 1/4 tone
B-1/4 to C: 3/4 tone

The total is still 1,5 tone


In oriental keyboards, this feature is used to play solos with the upper part.
This feature is not applied to the accompagnement tracks. Thus in the example referred to above, if you plays a G with your left hand, the sound will be G, B, D in the accompagnement even if the B is detuned for the right hand.
This discord is typical in the eastern music and is indispensable for those who play this kind of music.

STAM

I agree.
Thats the same way I feel. Thats how I felt after buying my Trinity..
I got virtually the same case on my Korg i30, with the same sequencer as my Trinity, same touch screen, and yet, I had to for out an extra 2400 bucks, after spending like 4500 for my fully loaded trinity...
Imagine if I would have spent that money on a really good pc and used an arranger program like OMB?
I would have saved so much money..
Thats why im considering the PC and software arranger now, more than ever.
The only thing is that its the configuring that makes it a bit difficult.
Like midi ports and all that stuff. Thats what throws me off...
But I know that once thats in the bucket, then, its all downhill after that.

Im finishing a cd project for my sister and brother in law. Im using my trinity, i30 and VS1680, as soon as im done with it, im going to sell my stuff.... and go pc all the way..
I dont do any gigs, so Im perfectly confortable doing all my recording at home, with out worrying about carrying my stuff to gigs.

Peace,
Musikman

Musikman and Star,

Talking about saving money, not counting the PC (everybody already has one) an entry level do-it-yourself PC arranger costs $120:

XG soundcard $49
software arranger $30
keyboard controller $40

Ok 37 keys is not much but if you play inverted chords in one octave, you would still have 2 octaves what would be enough to play any melody.

Stam,

I still think there would be inconsistent intervals in chords, but that doesn't really matter because you say the detuning is not applyed to the accompaniment. So I don't have to make any adjustments to OMB. You can detune the melody channels (1-8) on you synth and go nuts!

Salem Aleikem,

Jos



[This message has been edited by Jos Maas (edited 09-04-2003).]

Jos,
What about the lead instruments? Would I need two soundcards. I have been going through this with Frank Rosenthall.
Star

Star,

You can use one soundcard for both accompaniment and melody. Unless you already have a non-XG soundcard that you absolutely want to keep. You could try to get a second hand Yamaha SW60XG (you need an ISA slot!). I have one in my PC together with a Sounblaster. They don't interfere because the SW60XG is not a complete soundcard, just a synthesizer card.

If you listen to the individual sounds of such an XG device they don't sound that fantastic. But all together in an accompaniment they do sound great because the many styles that are available on the net where made for this synth.

What I specially like about the XG soundcards is that they respond to a lot of controllers like resonance (71) and cut off frequency (74). Avarage soundcards including the Soundblasters don't do that. There are a lot of XG MIDI files available that use those controllers to create real spectacular wah-wah effects and synth sweeps. I have made some styles from XG MIDI's in a quick and dirty way that were highly appreciated by users of PSR2000's and PSR9000's. Most existing styles don't use much of those effects, I don't know why. Maybe I'll switch from selling arranger software to selling XG styles!

Jos

1-what about latency?

2- can anyone post some mp3/midi songs demos using OMB?

thanx

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-04-2003).]

DNJ,

1. If you don't use a softsynth then you won't have latency.
2. Download a demo and play your own songs.

Jos
http://www.1manband.nl

Hi Jos,
I think some of your ideas are great, but I don't think they'll happen. The keyboard manufacturers have to make money to stay in business.

I had 3 keyboards KN7 , 9000pro & va7. Guess which was was totally replaceable for doing the things I wanted ie use styles for creating backing track midifiles, and converting styles to my kn7. I didn't really require arranger functions on all 3.

You guessed it, I was able to sell my pro, I'll either purchase an xg sound module or use an xg soft synth. I have xg works to create the backing sequences I want from my 9000 pro styles ( plus all the other psr styles I've downloaded). I'll look at your program if I decide I want to use psr arranger functions again, in short, I don't really need a psr keyboard. Problem is, where does that leave Yamaha if everyone starts to go the same way?
I'll definetely keep my kn7, I like the styles& it's onboard features. They're about the only styles that can't be converted to some other manufactures keyboard, so if I want them, I need the kn7. My VA7 I'm not sure about ( whether to keep or sell), because if I really want the styles, I can convert them to the kn7 format. Won't be as good as the original, but with tweaking , they'll work.

I've actually found it a bit strange that the xg works manual never mentioned that it could use psr styles in the same manner as it does it's onboard styles.

Maybe software isn't profitable enough.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jos Maas:

About the "goldmine", I have no illusions of getting rich. OMB is completely unknown among the broad public. I'm sure that if Yamaha released it, they would sell a 1000 times the numbers I'm selling. I don't have the marketing instruments they have.