What is the sampling capabilities of the Triton? I'm thinking of buying one (possibly rack) and need to know is it good enough to sell my Yamaha A4000 ???

Peter

You can buy a Triton for its sounds, expansion boards (MOSS), it's delicated and "ALL IN ONE" form but it's sampler is primitive and far less capable than the Yamaha A4000 or most cheap samplers.

Of cource the above is just my opinion but you can read the following:

1. Only 64Mb (96 on rack) ram expansion addressable as 16Mb banks.

2. No flash memory to save internal samples (Not even as option)

3. No internal HDD and/or ZIP option

4. No onboard SCSI but as an option (somewhat slow)

5. Only 2 types of filtering (LPF and HPF) with only one of them with resonance (Yamaha has 16 type and combinations)

6. No resampling ability

7. No Loop/devide remix feature

8. No direct to CD/HDD recording / burning option

9. Poor sampling user interface implementation

10. 16/16 bit / 48Khz versus 24/20 bit /48 Khz on A4000

11. No S/P-DIF (o/c) on keyboard and only optional on rack module

12. Maximum sample length 16 MB Mono vs 64 / Stereo on A4000

13. No support for multilayered samples (velocity or parms swithing)

14. Triton can read WAV,AIFF as well as AKAI S1000/3000 samples only. Yamaha as you know can read those ones plus samples from EX5/7, SU700, TX16W, EMU EIIIx and S760

15. There is no commercial sample library for Korg

16. No computer based editing / sound creation software (not even as extra) vs Yamaha's excellent "TWE Wave Editor" and the rest toolkits

17. Limited user support with no web support options at'all.

18. No third party sampling options (CD samples,patches etc)

I'm not against Triton as a workstation (btw i own one) but as many "workstations" it's extra features are just basic. It's an excellent synth with wonderfull sounds and nice analog creation options but not a Kurzweil or E-Synth or anything like these ones.

It cannot stand as a full blown sampler like A4000 or even cheaper ones like Emu ESI and the rest.

I hope it helps


[This message has been edited by Inray (edited 12-05-2000).]

Thanks for that info. Very imformative.

I'm settled at what to do now. I'll, obviously, keep the A4000 for general/advanced sampling, and only ever use the Triton for sampling if at all necesary. Once again, thankyou.

Right. Shop around time...

Peter

\\1. Only 64Mb (96 on rack) ram expansion addressable as 16Mb banks.\\


Still better than the cheap samplers from akai and Emu.....


\\2. No flash memory to save internal samples (Not even as option)\\

This is annoying, not really not a big deal since it has a SCSI option. A fast seagate HDD is prety quick.


\\3. No internal HDD and/or ZIP option\\

Zip would have been nice, but it would have given the Triton a higher price. Again, the SCSI makes up for all of this. What would you rather have? A Built in MOSS option, or a Zip drive?

\\4. No onboard SCSI but as an option (somewhat slow)\\

No slower than most other synth SCSI, and blazing fast when connected to a competent hard disk drive.

\\5. Only 2 types of filtering (LPF and HPF) with only one of them with resonance (Yamaha has 16 type and combinations)\\

The Yamaha has the Triton beat here.

\\6. No resampling ability\\


This would be a nice feature. Big oversight by Korg.


\\7. No Loop/devide remix feature\\


Not a big deal.

\\8. No direct to CD/HDD recording / burning option\\


How many other synth samplers have this option, and would it's cost be worth it to the average user?

\\9. Poor sampling user interface implementation\\


? No way. The Triton sampling interface is GREAT. Easy to get around, nice big screen, easy to find and hack samples.


\\10. 16/16 bit / 48Khz versus 24/20 bit /48 Khz on A4000\\


No one could really hear this difference.

Some of the best albums of all time were recorded in "zero bit". This means nothing.


\\11. No S/P-DIF (o/c) on keyboard and only optional on rack module\\

This is sort of a problem. But again it's no real stumbling block.

\\12. Maximum sample length 16 MB Mono vs 64 / Stereo on A4000\\\

Yep.

\\13. No support for multilayered samples (velocity or parms swithing)\\


You sure about this Inray?

\ \15. There is no commercial sample library for Korg\\


This is indeed perplexing.


1\\6. No computer based editing / sound creation software (not even as extra) vs Yamaha's excellent "TWE Wave Editor" and the rest toolkits\\

Who cares when there are SO many better sample editing programs on the market?

\\18. No third party sampling options (CD samples,patches etc)\\


There is some good patch support.

\\I'm not against Triton as a workstation (btw i own one) but as many "workstations" it's extra features are just basic. It's an excellent synth with wonderfull sounds and nice analog creation options but not a Kurzweil or E-Synth or anything like these ones. \\


Well, look at it this way. By getting a Triton and a program like Sound Forge X.P. or Fruity Loops, you have something alot more powerful than whats out there hardware wise. The Triton is an excellent synth, and sounds a heck of alot better than the other stuff out there. But Inray is right, it's sampler is pretty basic. But it's fast, and it get's the job done. It's not some contrived, mangled, O.S. either.

It is excellent at putting everything together for you so you can create songs and ideas in the blink of an eye. Save multisample to program, write program, select it in sequence mode, route effects, mix and presto!

The Triton is a creative persons friend. It is very intuitive, and it's main feature is it's ability for you to get your ideas down FAST. No lame tiny LCD press arrow key 500 times ,read code to get what you want.

Think of the Triton as a meat and potatoes sampler without all the frills. Although I agree resampling should be included. IT does have some nice featires though. And don't forget, samples on the Triton can be screwed with in so many ways. For instance, when sampling, you can sample through FIVE insert effects. You can then save your sample parameters to program memory, with 5 more insert effects, two master effects, two arrpegiators, ect.

Also, every patch in the Triton is user-writeable. If you don't like the sound, use it for a sample space with all parameters and effects saved, or program your own sound and save it on the Triton.

\\It cannot stand as a full blown sampler like A4000 or even cheaper ones like Emu ESI and the rest.\\


It hold's it's own, especially in the ability to mangle samples. In fact, it surpasses those machines in that category.

Hi Arvon and the rest...

I'm not a negative man Arvon but must always tell the truth to future buyers. I never told that i hate my Triton. The truth (IMO) is that as a sampler or sequencer is just garbage...

Why not visit Yamaha's A4000 page just for an example
http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/a5000/intr1.html

Take a look, read carefully the specs and the rest, look what a support site really means

Then visit emu and the rest and then check your Triton's sampler specs

You told
"...\\13. No support for multilayered samples (velocity or parms swithing)\\

You sure about this Inray?"

Absolutely. Triton use just a single sample layer or using it's internal synth engine two mono layers. Most AKAI samples for example use 6 to eight stereo layers
Even Soundblaster Live EMU 101K chipset can use over 128 multilayers in SF2 samples (stereo ones with different LF/EG/Layers/Velocity switched splits/ etc etc etc) I think that you never heard something like that on Triton sites..

Anyway i really like Triton but as a sound source and a synth. It's not the best sampler or even one of the good ones.

It's just the "BEST" keyboard workstation money can buy. I really believe it though it has many limitations (like any keyboard)

Just my opinion Arvon


[This message has been edited by Inray (edited 12-06-2000).]

Just one point:

> 10. 16/16 bit / 48Khz versus 24/20 bit /48 Khz on A4000


Don't forget that the samples are stored at 16-bit anyway. No hardware sampler today samples and stores samples at 24-bit resolution. When it is saved to the hard drive it is a 16-bit sample. Only the a/d and d/a conversions will have a higher resolution.

Like it or not Arvon, if the 24-bit adc's and dac's are of good quality, and the samples remain at 24-bit throughout, there *is* a difference. In this case though, I agree with you, the difference will be minimal. It becomes a number that people look at and think that it is better.

Just MHO,
Fernando

I believe that some soft-samplers have beyond 16 bit (gigasampler? exs24?)

The tritons ad and da may be 18 or 20 bit. or 1 bit. Fact is, there are good and bad ad/da, but the number of bits is a bad measure as long as the bit resolution is downconverted internally.

Knut Inge

Hi serious guys.
I am purchasing a tritn tomorrow and own a 3080.I would like to knowif the triton can get down and dirty with analog beasts such as virus, in terms of leads sub-bass etc.Also I would like to know if it kills the mr-rackand jd-990 as I heard these were sleepers that sound way better than what pople think?

Dontae-


"Hi serious guys.
I am purchasing a tritn tomorrow and own a 3080.I would like to knowif the triton can get down and dirty with analog beasts such as virus, in terms of leads sub-bass etc.Also I would like to know if it kills the mr-rackand jd-990 as I heard these were sleepers that sound way better than what pople think\\

Muhahahhahaha. The Triton DOMINATES in this category. MAKE SURE you get the MOSS expansion with your Triton. IT is a 6 voice Virtual analogue physical modelling accoustic modelling synth that is absolutely freaking amazing. ITs on the level of the Virus, Nords, ect, and CAN DO EVEN MORE.

The 3080 is not useful for the kinds of sounds you are looking for.

Get a Triton with MOSS and a Nord Module or Keyboard.

The Triton with Moss in combination with an XV3080 make a beautiful combination together. I could use just these 2 units for all my work If I absolutely had to!!!!