I'm bit confused here.. First everyone was talking about the PSR3k to have 100Mb wave rom. Then I heard a story it would only have 64Mb wave rom.

So I checked from http://psrtutorial.com/Help/H_PSRs/PSR-3000.html and there are both figures.

Does anyone have any clue how much wave rom there is going to be? 64Mb or 100Mb..??

Pre-release info at the Yamaha arranger workstations site says 64 Mb for the 3000 vs 16Mb for the 1500.

Georges

Whoever said it was 100mb shouldnt have done that. Not fair to make raise peoples hopes for nothing.

The Tyros has 96mb of wave rom. The PSR3000 is not the replacement for the Tyros.
Starkeeper

Theres a $1000.00 difference for a reason?

From what I gather this number of mb of wave rom is what makes one sound better that the other in the tone department? Do I have that right?

If so, I wonder how noticeable the tonal difference is really going to be between 64 and 96?

>> I wonder how noticeable the tonal difference is really going to be between 64 and 96?

Probably less than what the naked figures indicate. From what I've heard, the tonal improvement from PSR2000 to 2100 is not obvious, yet the wave rom has been doubled from 16 to 32 Mb.

I think most of the additional memory goes into just some voices, which then sound quite a bit better.

Georges

Wave ROM is a complicated issue, it is an indication of the quality, but nothing more. It all depends on the technical creativity of the programmer in how he/she uses this wave ROM. That being said. Frank Rosenthall has 15 gigs of wave ROM (he can correct me if that's wrong or even greater then that, at this writing), so if he says his softsynth arranger sounds better then our keyboards, I believe.
Starkeeper

There are other issues as well. Squeak_D and I were discussing the ROM size on the PSR550 and PSR1000, they are both 8mb, but this was Steve Deming's answer, "Hey guys
The PSR1000 has separate ROM chips for Voice and OS. They are combined in the PSR550. So the PSR1000 has roughly twice the voice ROM of the 550. Hope that clears it up.

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Steve Deming
Assistant Manager
Customer Support Dept.
Pro Audio & Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America"

Ok, so 100Mb is not magically more than 64Mb.. In fact it does not matter too much to me as long as it sounds good.

To be honest, I don't need very much better sounds, I'm looking for other upgrades in 3k, like 3 intro/ending buttons, able to change upper octave and transpose without having to press the damn button twice, USB and few other minor things. Plus I like the way it looks

Wave ROM is tricky. You can also read the fine print that 64 MB when converted to 16bit linear ROM.

So, it depends on how good the compression they applied. You could have 100MB sounding worse than 10MB, if they compressed a lot.

Also, it's matter of quality versus, quantity. You could have 10 terrible sounding samples, with lot of looping, or 1 long sample with natural decay occupying same amount of ROM.

>> I'm looking for other upgrades in 3k, like 3 intro/ending buttons, able to change upper octave and transpose without having to press the damn button twice, USB

Absolutely agreed, and don't forget that the styles are much improved also (I'll be upgrading from a 2000). The only regret I have is that it will not be possible to link registratons or music finder entries to styles kept on the memory card.

BTW, do we already know how much user memory the 3000 will have?

Georges

I think you're still discussing a keyboard that is in the prototype stage. Yamaha may not have even decided all these things yet.
DonM

>> I think you're still discussing a keyboard that is in the prototype stage. Yamaha may not have even decided all these things yet.

Yes, that might well be true for the amount of internal memory they'll pack onboard and a couple of other things as well.

However, concerning access to styles on memory card there has been an official word. Here is what Steve Dening from Yamaha wrote when I asked him about it: "That's not going to work. I've put in in our Idea Suggestion database for possible inclusion in future versions/models."

Georges

With 5 months until arrival in US stores, the keyboard is most probably not in the prototype design stage. The keyboard is in the production stage. I'm sure that all of the specs are final. Still an exciting keyboard.

Beakybird

Hi Georges

Quote: [ concerning access to styles on memory card there has been an official word. Here is what Steve Dening from Yamaha wrote when I asked him about it: "That's not going to work. I've put in in our Idea Suggestion database for possible inclusion in future versions/models."]

Am I reading this right? Are you saying no external styles can be put into the memory card? That's what that sounds like and it doesn't really make any sense to me. Could you clarify this for me?

Thanx
Scott

no, I think it is not as you say.
I think that what will not be possible is to link registratons or music finder entries to styles kept on the memory card.

Hi Artaher

I think you must be right. This is the way I understood it previously anyway. Otherwise what sense is there in having an SD card if you can't put a bunch of extra styles on it?

Next question I suppose is how big of an SD card is available and how may styles may fit on it approximately.

Scott

>> Are you saying no external styles can be put into the memory card?

No, no, not at all! It is just that neither Music Finder nor Registrations can read the styles directly from the SD. So as before we need to copy any specific styles used within regs or MF to the user memory area.

If user memory is large, this won't be too much of a handicap. However, on the PSR2000 I am playing now, I can keep just about 15 styles in that area and that is clearly not enough since I often play with song-specific styles.

With the very low memory prices we have today, I wonder why they should not be able to give our keyboards at least 64 Mb of user memory, or the ability to add memory later, just like we do on our PCs.

How is this solved on the Tyros? Can its registrations fetch styles from the harddisk?

>> how big of an SD card is available and how may styles may fit on it approximately

AFAIK you can have SDs up to 128 Mb; enough to fit in a couple thousand styles :-)

Georges

What I know, 2Mb. Would be great if there were more...

I thought 100 mb's of WAV ROM was a bit too generous for a mid-range Arranger. Besides if they did put in a 100 mb's people would be leery about buying their Flagship Tyros. Still, when the PSR 3000 comes out I really think the sales of the Tyros will still diminish somewhat. If they do put in 64 MB's of WAV ROM that's still as much as the Korg Triton Studio has. And I expect the PSR 3000 to sound very comparable to the Tyros. Of course the Tyros has the better Key action, more User Memory, can accept an internal Hard Drive plus other advantages but if I didn't already own a Tyros I would seriously consider getting a PSR 3000 instead of the Tyros mainly because the PSR 3000 has internal speakers. Since I already own a Tyros I have no plans to get a PSR 3000. Besides, I have a PSR 2000 that already has the lousy key action. LOL

Best regards,
Mike