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#202933 - 08/26/02 05:09 AM Oh no, not another old keyboard problem - unfortunately yes
Random Solton/Ketron User Offline
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Registered: 08/26/02
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I know these *old keyboards questions* are going on everybody's nerves, even on mine, and I am just lurking here, but I really need help now. Sorry.

When I use my MS50 trough midi sequencer on my pc, and when I'm recording, for some reason it records 3 (three!) notes for one note I play. And that is without the software's MIDI THRU option. If I check it, then I get those three notes PLUS three more one octave higher. Please, someone, do I need to edit some parameters on the keyboard itself, or just change the sequencer? I am using Jazz ++ Midi sequencer, because it is very simple - is it also dumb? Unfortunately, I dont have a manual of the keyboard, so I dont understand what some abbreviations do (among other stuff). :-(
I am aware that I probably created some kind of MIDI loop, however, I hope that only solution is not to plug out one of the cables, because I'd hate to have to plug it in/out all the time. Please help ...

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#202934 - 08/26/02 06:41 AM Re: Oh no, not another old keyboard problem - unfortunately yes
Roel Offline
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Registered: 06/24/99
Posts: 1232
Hello,

Welcome to out family of the best forum on the internet.
Stay calm and don't panic, because it will not bring any solution
Important to know is :
a. On what midi-channels do the six (?) play ?
b. Did you 'multi-layer' your MS50's keyboard ?
c. Check MIDI-settings as TxD (send channel) for left, right, chord..... etc. perhaps you have 'doubles'.
d. Some soundcards have initial THRU settings.


At first you could give me (us) the MIDI-settings that are shown on your display after pressing the MIDI-button.


I don't know Jazz++ but I expect the software is able to give you details about every recorded note ?!
It is important on what ch. the notes are recorded.....NOT the TRACKnumber but the MIDI-channel.

Roel

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#202935 - 08/26/02 06:58 AM Re: Oh no, not another old keyboard problem - unfortunately yes
Mario Offline
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I am not familiar with your program, but it looks like your sequencer is in the "echo mode". If that's the case you should have a way to turn it "off". Cakewalk does.
Good luck!
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#202936 - 08/27/02 03:57 AM Re: Oh no, not another old keyboard problem - unfortunately yes
Random Solton/Ketron User Offline
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Registered: 08/26/02
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Here's the update if anybody still cares:

- all notes are MIDI-channel 1
- I turned off some random stuff in MIDI options of the keyboard, so now it records not triple notes, only double
- I haven't layered the sounds, it happens with every single instrument, God knows what happens with programs, I haven't even tried
- there is no significant other MIDI option in the sequencer apart from MIDI THRU, no echo mode


thanks guys

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#202937 - 08/27/02 04:00 AM Re: Oh no, not another old keyboard problem - unfortunately yes
Random Solton/Ketron User Offline
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Registered: 08/26/02
Posts: 9
Oh, and it may be that the keyboard did not send all notes trough channel one - I think sequencer may have forced channel number on them - so that is not really a useful information

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#202938 - 08/27/02 04:33 AM Re: Oh no, not another old keyboard problem - unfortunately yes
Roel Offline
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Registered: 06/24/99
Posts: 1232
First : Does 'Random Solton/Ketron User' have a name ? (I don't like aliases when helping)

If your sequencer software is not capable recording/playing midi-data on seperate channels ..... it is 'worthless' and of no use at all

What is 'random stuff' ?
Are you familiar with MIDI in general ? if not, visit MIDI-sites where MIDI is explained in detail.

I would advise you to use Cubasis, Cubase (VST, 32 or SX), Cakewalk or Notator.

You can simply go through the following steps to find the cause of you rproblems :

1. Remove the MIDI-cable that connects the computer MIDI-OUT with the keyboard MIDI-IN.
This eleminates a possible loop.

2. Be sure you only connect the Keyboard MIDI-OUT to the MIDI-IN in the computer.

3. Start the sequencer-record and play some simple single notes. Stop recording

4. Open the score-, or list-edit window and check the recorded events. If you have doubles, it is 100% sure the keyboard sends this double data.
Now you have to recheck/correct the keyboard's MIDI-settings. Walk thru the menu's and disable all MIDI-Tx channels except one : the RIGHT (set it to ch. 1) . Now repeat step 3 and 4.

5. Take your time and take one step at a time. Think logical and you should be able to locate the problem yourself.

You wrote "if anybody still cares" ...... Believe me, we all care and want to help, there are no stupid questions, nobody is dumb ! Try to describe your problem as detailed as possible.

Roel

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#202939 - 08/27/02 05:21 AM Re: Oh no, not another old keyboard problem - unfortunately yes
Random Solton/Ketron User Offline
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Registered: 08/26/02
Posts: 9
Thanks Roel.

And
I dont understand your dislike of aliases, when, for all I know, Roel can be one too. There are a lot of crappy aliases on the forums, because my true name does not add to my character here, I think.

Thanks again for help, I hope I solve the problem.

Oh, and I didn't mean "...still cares" because I imagined the update to the question would be ignored, I merely thought it would pass unnoticed. Sorry, bad choice of words?

Branko

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#202940 - 08/27/02 12:53 PM Re: Oh no, not another old keyboard problem - unfortunately yes
Roel Offline
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Registered: 06/24/99
Posts: 1232
Hi Branko,

Well .... any luck or progress in the MIDI-miracle ?
Alias = OK as long as it is a short one. (My alias is Roel because my name is 'Roel', pronounced as 'Rule', english equivalent is Ralph. (= straight logic )

Roel

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