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#213708 - 11/24/01 02:25 PM Cool PA 80 feature
Jocko Offline
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Could be you're all already aware of this, but I just discovered, I can overwrite the factory presets on the PA. So that means I can lose the unwanted waltzes and polkas I have no use for and replace then with styles I can use.
Cool feature!
Terry

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#213709 - 11/24/01 03:10 PM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
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Jocko: That really IS cool! Just remember to 'backup' the factory presets somewhere 'just in case'.
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#213710 - 11/24/01 03:18 PM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Godwald Offline
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I think no others kbs have that cool feature.
But, is it possible a new OS may have that feature in PSR2000, for example?

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#213711 - 11/24/01 05:01 PM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Jocko Offline
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Scotty thanks....already done.

Godwald....I'm not sure what anyone else may do, but of all the synths I've had, Ive not seen that feature before. I was excited to dump some of the junk off there and put some of the stuff I really use in it's place instead.
I can't figure out why that is not a standard feature on evey board produced even the workstations. I have yet to see or play a board that I thought....I love every sound and wouldn't change a one.
Terry

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#213712 - 11/24/01 11:45 PM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Shakil Offline
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Registered: 10/25/99
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Yes, KORG TRITON also has this feature... i guess it is unique to KORG synths.

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#213713 - 11/25/01 01:25 AM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Nimrod Offline
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Registered: 06/27/01
Posts: 89
Quote:
Originally posted by Shakil:
Yes, KORG TRITON also has this feature... i guess it is unique to KORG synths.


...what, unwanted Waltzes and Polkas you mean?, I wonder what Cha-Cha Ryhthm sounds like on the Triton compared to the top arrangers

Well, I must say, this is a very good feature, and I have been looking at the PA80 very closley. However, until I can get to know how many simultaneous effects + REVERB you can have on the PA80, I will not rest .

What I mean is this (been through this before BTW)... Can you have Overall reverb working with the 4 DSP's you have??, like, for example, if you use Flanger, Phaser, Delay, Rotory(Four effects - on tracks 1,2,3,4, is it possible to add reverb to **ALL** of these sounds?? Because if the reverb counts as a DSP effect, then, in effect, (pun intended) you WON'T be able to use ANY other effect (like Phaser, Flanger etc) if you want Reverb on Four different Parts!. I hope I'm not confusing you, but it is this "little thing" that is seperating me from Buying, and not buying the Korg PA80 (the main reason why I haven't purchased the Korg LE Triton as a second Keyboard, is because it only has *ONE* Insert effet). This really spoils it a lot for me.

So (just an example) what I would want on the PA80 is:

Track 1 Piano with Chorus

Track 2 Strings with Phaser

Track 3 Organ with Rotory

Track 4 guitar with Distortion.

....AND, BEING ABLE TO APPLY REVERB TO ALL of the four effects, so each track has reverb. If it **can** do this, I will order one Monday without Delay' (pun unintended this time , If it Can't, then well???????, I wonder....

NR
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#213714 - 11/25/01 02:56 AM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Shakil Offline
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Registered: 10/25/99
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no, that effects config is not possible on PA-80.
you have two effects for style section
and two effects processors for keyboard section...
same as in i-30

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#213715 - 11/25/01 03:55 AM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Arbaz Offline
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Registered: 06/05/01
Posts: 165
Quote:
same as in i-30


Hello Shakil,
i30 only have 2 PA-80 have 4 can you please tell us about the PSR-2000 effect placement is it possible to achieve what NR is asking in PSR-2000 or is it only possible in Triton, how the effects are used in PSR-2000?

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#213716 - 11/25/01 04:49 AM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Shakil Offline
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same as in 1-30 meant that, each group of two effects is like i-30.

YAMAHA and KORG Insert effect differ in a fundamental way.
In YAMAHA, an INSERT EFFECT can only be applied to one track. In KORG INSERT EFFECT is more like an effect buss. And more than one tracks can be patched to an insert effect, but you don't get send level from each track. For example if you patch track 1 and track4 to IFX1, which is delay.. both tracks will be processed in equal amounts.

What Nimrod is asking can be accomplished on TRITON, PSR9000, 9000Pro, and PSR2000 (only 3 tracks)

PSR2000 has an enormous DSP section.
You get:
1 Master EQ - 5 band parametric
32 parts 2 band EQ. Each track has it's own Hi and Low Freq gain.
DSP1 (Can be set as Master or Insert)
DSP2 with send level
DSP3 with send level
DSP4 with send level
Chorus
Reverb
From each track, there is send level for
Reverb
Chorus
DSP1
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[This message has been edited by Shakil (edited 11-25-2001).]

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#213717 - 11/25/01 05:23 AM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Jocko Offline
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Registered: 10/09/01
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Those are a whole lot of effects to be piling up on a sound(s) I can though see where that may make a difference working live but not in the studio, where I think it works best to go as clean as possible into the recording and add the effects post input.
Even live, I would still use an outboard effects processor for some of those effects.
Terry

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#213718 - 11/25/01 08:30 PM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
Nimrod Offline
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Thanks Shakil for the Rundown on the Effects section (and the PSR2000).

Well, I always had plan "B" if this PA80 and the effects didn't work out, and that was for a "Triton"-sounding keyboard anyway. I don't need a Sampler on a keyboard, but just top quality sounds, with lush strings, pads and the like, so would a Korg "KARMA" fit the bill for this (always wanted one of these since seeing Kay’s Video demo).

I understand it is Identical in everyway (sound wise) to the Triton. Is this so Shakil? Because it is *much* less money than the Triton, and since I just need the Triton sounds, then I assume the Karma is a Triton without a sampler (and other things like Arpeggiater etc). You see, on Harmony Central Reviews, you hear people say the "Karma lacks a little in sounds etc", but similar reviewers praises the Triton!. If the Sound is the same as the Triton (samples and all), then a good or bad sound will be EXACTLY the same on the Karma?

Anyway, I like the fact that the Tritons/Karmas can have 7 effects,(5IFX, 2 Master), and I am assuming you CAN apply reverb to all of the inserts on the Karma/Triton (the Master effects would be reverb I would say, applying these to the 5 Inserts, and adjusting the Levels of reverb, at least I hope you can adjust the level of reverb on each sound/Insert, or it would sound very Wet - on all sounds that is...). You say Shakil of the Triton: Quote:


You don't get send level from each track. For example if you patch track 1 and track4 to IFX1, which is delay.. Both tracks will be processed in equal amounts.

You will be able to adjust the reverbs though I assume? (Which would be used from master it seems) Like: Flange, Phase, Rotary, Distortion, Delay, Being the Inserts (5), and Chorus/Reverb Being the Master. I think that’s it now. If this is Possible, I will have a Karma (or "Possibly" a Triton Rack, which has more expansion slots, but the un-wanted sampler (Oh well – could be useful!)

Cheers

NR


[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited 11-25-2001).]
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#213719 - 11/26/01 05:18 AM Re: Cool PA 80 feature
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Team,

The Ketron SD1 comes with a total of 307 styles. Of these:
* 109 are FLASH re-writable styles and can be replaced ... with YOUR styles [stored even after power off]
* 68 can be stored in RAM (from HD)[lost after power off] PLUS
* a total of 999 can be accessed from the HD [always available on HD).

That's a lot of styles ... if you were to ask me!

AJ
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