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#222301 - 12/01/07 03:25 AM How many would pay extra and carry more weight to get a larger keybed
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5387
Loc: English Riviera, UK
As far as I am aware there is only one manufacture that makes virtually every combination of keyboard available on one instrument, this being Bohm, therefore I have included the specs on weight and price (With the weight and price differences easily transferable to other manufactures) just to see how many would be prepared to spend the extra, and carry the extra weight.
Bohm Silverbird

Available Models
- Silverbird rack, complete Silverbird in a 19’ case without keyboard
- Silverbird 5, keyboard-organ, silver, 5-octave manual (61 keys), weighted
- Silverbird 7, keyboard-organ with speaker-system, silver, 7-octave manual (76 keys), weighted
- Silverbird 7p, piano-ensemble with speakers, piano keyboard with true hammer feeling (76 keys), by option also available as Silverbird 8p with 88 keys
- Silverbird 25 premium, two-manual organ edition with 2 x 61 keys, weighted
- Silverbird 25 build-in module for existing organs like e.g. Böhm Top-/Starsound DS
- Silverbird 27, two-manual organ edition with 2 x 76 keys, weighted
- Standard in silver or black

Dimensions in cm (WxHxD); Weights (without Speaker/Amplifier):
- Silverbird 5: 121 x 15 x 42; approx. 15 kg
- Silverbird 7/7p: 142, 5 x 15 x 42; approx. 16/23 kg
- Silverbird 8p: 161.5 x 15 x 42; approx. 32 kg
- Silverbird 25: 107 x 21x 57; approx. 23 kg
- Silverbird 27: 129 x 21x 57; approx. 26kg
- Silverbird Rack: 44x19 x 44: approx. 12 kg

Keyboards
- Silverbird 5: £4,067.86
- Silverbird 7: £4,282.14
- Silverbird 7p: £4,496.43
- Silverbird 8p: £4,675.00
- Silverbird Rack: £3,985.71
Organs
Typical price based upon a wooden sided case and matching bench, 17 note pedal board, built in speaker system and amplifier.
Delivery to your house in mainland England as well as a day of demonstration and tuition on your new instrument is also
Included. The price will vary depending on the options for your individual instrument.
- Silverbird 25: £7,836.86
- Silverbird 27: £7,970.71

More details can be found here http://www.bohm-organs.co.uk/produkte/silverbird.pdf

Bill
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#222302 - 12/01/07 07:37 AM Re: How many would pay extra and carry more weight to get a larger keybed
doc-z Offline
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Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 436
Loc: Norway
I personally would love an arranger with 88 gha keys, for instance the Fatar TP40GH-ES.

Styles that are as good as Korg's (I personally feel these styles are more balanced and a bit more modern sounding than yamaha and roland, but that is my preferance)

Multi layered samples, like Megavoice or RX technology to make the styles come alive!

A real piano mode, where the autocomp follow the bass notes, the root note of the base should trigger chords. If a third is not specified the comp should play 5ths, or retrieve the third from the right hand.

Give me a good control surface, and a touch screen

Take out speakers, metal frames and all that extra weight, and give me all this in a sub 30lbs package

I would buy that board in a heartbeat!

Doc-Z

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#222303 - 12/01/07 01:03 PM Re: How many would pay extra and carry more weight to get a larger keybed
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14269
Loc: NW Florida
I just don't see where ANY 61 note keyboard can be called 'weighted'. It just dilutes the meaning of the word. Sure, it's got SOME mass (or it wouldn't exist!), but for it to have any meaning as a key-touch description, the common usage has been...
unweighted - PSR
semi-weighted - (from lightest to heaviest) T2, G70, K2500
weighted - RD700SX, P90, etc.

To use the word 'weighted' on a 61 organ keyboard is marketing gobbledygook.

Now, can anyone work out how much lighter your wallet will be after buying one of these...?

$8000 just for the RACK
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#222304 - 12/01/07 08:49 PM Re: How many would pay extra and carry more weight to get a larger keybed
RobertG Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
Posts: 464
Loc: Southeastern PA, USA
Quote:
- Silverbird rack, complete Silverbird in a 19’ case without keyboard


19 foot case. Wow. Guess you need a tractor trailer to get to the gig.

What a different a missing quote makes, eh.

I would have gleefully payed more for a 76 or 88 key version in both $ and weight when I got my T2. Don't think Yamaha is listening to me. Once the T3 comes out I'll reassess and maybe switch to the Korg PA2x.

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#222305 - 12/02/07 10:51 AM Re: How many would pay extra and carry more weight to get a larger keybed
tonkan Offline
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Registered: 07/16/00
Posts: 75
Loc: Sweden
I notice that the wieght and price difference between 61 and 76 key is completely negligible.

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#222306 - 12/02/07 11:27 AM Re: How many would pay extra and carry more weight to get a larger keybed
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
The weight is not bad...approx 35 lbs for the 61/76...but the price? Eeeeeek!

Ian
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#222307 - 12/02/07 08:34 PM Re: How many would pay extra and carry more weight to get a larger keybed
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14269
Loc: NW Florida
Quote:
Originally posted by tonkan:
I notice that the wieght and price difference between 61 and 76 key is completely negligible.


Have you looked at the pictures...? The cases are HUGE. I imagine that the keyboard itself is a small fraction of the case, electronics and all the controls. Were it a flyweight plastic case, the action would make a bigger difference, but with a bunch of electronics and a solid looking case, the action itself is only a small percentage of the total.
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