Jerry its like anything else....repetitivness & perseverance
& a Little help from your friends will get you thru it

Good Luck

Here I thought I had converted Rikki to the software approach. I must have been suffering from delusions of granduer....sadly I am left with merely the echoes of my mind....it is oh so lonely in there!!!

Steve explained my problem well. I have noticed that on some songs I only like 2 of the variations but want 4 variations of sounds, so linking them by pressing Single Touch until it flashes does not help me. In this case I would like the songbook setting to choose Single Touch On.

On Sunday I have a total of 12 songs, some with styles, some just sounds (you guessed it - organ) some where I would like to link the variations and STS settings, some not. So it would be great if Songbook remembered it all for me.

I know, I must be crazy using the Pa2X so soon after receiving it, but it has really pushed me to learn. I am trusting to God's help and experience to take me through the unexpected issues that occur during the service.

Graham

Hi Jerry,
your midifiles will no doubt need editing. They brought in GM standard many years ago, & it's far from standard, everybody added their own additional sounds & drumkits especially as far as arranger keyboards are concerned.

Dumb question, but can you use mp3's for backing instead of midifiles?
This way the backing could be from the original instrument it was recorded on ie PA800 or Genysis. I've never owned a Midjay, but MAYBE it allows you to do a mix of mp3 backing along with realtime playing of midjay sounds via your accordian??

Any styles you use would probably be better from the midjay itself, or the sd1 rather than trying to convert, unless you're desperate for a style that doesn't exist on the midjay..

I really don't know what your performance involves ie mp3's, midifiles, realtime styles via the accordian, but the Midjay as far as I'm aware should cover all those bases.

If mp3's would work in your performance, you'd have the best of all 3 worlds, backing sequences with the original sounds from your PA & the Genesys, all in one neat easy to carry box.
Only question would be is if it can play midi sounds & mp3's at the same time?

That's what I hope to do one day with the PA when I buy the MP3 card.
Record some favourite backing tracks from my PSR & SD1 as MP3's, should I ever decide to sell the keyboards. This way the songs play with the original sounds, no additional editing required. Wish I'd thought to do the same with my Technics KN7000 before I'd sold it.

best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jerry T:
[B]

Hi Frank,
sorry Frank, I'm just a fickle female. haahaa.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Graham,

I had a look. I can't find a way of saving the required setting for Songbook.

Looks like it's something one has to remember to turn on or off manually.

Also noticed if the button is flashing & you use the songbook, if for instance your choice is variation 3, sts3 automatically pops up, wheras if you choose variation 3 & the button is not flashing, it defaults to the sounds on sts1 even though it's variation 3.

So be careful.

The only thing that springs to mind would be to create a modified style for the ones where you only want to use 2 variations & need 4 sts's.
Just say you only use variation 1 & 2. Variation 1 & 2 could be copied over the top of variation 3 & 4. So you'd end up with V1, V2, V1,V2 or V1 V1, V2 V2, whatevever suits the song & you alter your STS's to suit. This way you wouldn't need to keep switching the button on & off.
May sound a bit overboard, but if it's only for a few styles, wouldn't be hard to do.

It's a case of using the style copy function & would only take a matter of minutes for each style & it's fairly simple.
My 2 speedy digits can copy all the style parts from one style to a new style in 2 minutes flat, now that the procedure is ingrained in the brain. haahaa

It's a bit late for this Sunday,( it's Saturday night here) but if you like I could modify a few for you next week, to see if it would work, & give you detailed instructions on how to do it yourself if you need more done down the track..

You're still basically using the original style , but with duplicated variations.
So you'd still have your original, and a modified user style.

Meanwhile would writing a note on your sheet music if you use it, or just a little note paper, with turn on or off for the songs help. Just to get you thru tomorrow till you can sort out what you want to do.

best wishes
Rikki

maybe we've missed something & someone will pop up with an easier solution.

Hi Stephen,
I noticed you & Graham didn't have much luck with this function over at the Korg site either.
A setting that songbook obviously doesn't remember.
I ran one option past Graham ie duplicate styles, could get messy if one has a lot of them.

What I've decided to do personally is, rename the songs, FULL CAPITAL LETTERS if I need the button flashing , or all lowercase letters if I don't.

This hopefully will prompt me to remember to turn the flashing button on or off.
I think it would just become habit.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stephenm52:
[B]Rikki, My understanding of what Graham is explaining ( I have the same problem ) is this:

Songbook remembers all your settings

[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 02-09-2008).]

Rikki, sounds like a good method. I've put about 300 custom songs to date in Songbook, it may take a bit of work but could be very worth the effort.



[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 02-09-2008).]

Hi Stephen,
wow, that's a lot of songs.
I'm hoping those CAPITALS will prompt us to switch on or off .
Maybe start with a few & see if it is a reminder.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stephenm52:
[B] Rikki, sounds like a good method. I've put about 300 custom songs to date in Songbook, it may take a bit of work but could be very worth the effort.

The issue with the KORG (Italian made) Pa FILL INs is thus (in my opinion).

If you press the FILL at the right time (down-beat), you get (for many styles) a slight increase in volume especially on chords that have/use guitar tracks.

If you press the FILL at the wrong time (up beat), you get both the increase in volume AND feeling (hard to put into words) that the fill is trying to "CATCH UP" with the variation you came from ~ almost as if the FILLS and Variations/Endings were programmed by different people. This issue dates back to the entire PA line; but WASN'T the case with the (Japanese built) "I-series"!!

When I asked the Korg Italy S.p.a Engineer at NAMM 2007, I was told the intention was to emulate the 'excitment' a band portrayed when they played a fill/roll - however (to me) they do not sound natural!!

Just my thoughts ... but the variations are some of the best out there with the 'subtle' variation within the style variation technic - especially within styles with long measured variations.

Yamaha, Ketron, Roland and even Technics have smooth style transitions and no matter when you press the FILL, you get a smooth fill and return to variation!!

AJ