A few of you, have asked why did I decide to sell my E-60...so here is my reasoning..

First off..the E-60 is a super keyboard, and my decision to sell was not an easy one...in fact I actually placed it on Ebay as a test sale..I have done this before to see the strength of a saleable item...Well I can tell you now ..it is a saleable item...in fact I could have sold three of them[interested people]..

Here are some of my deciding factors..[without giving Diki too much credit].. ]

The weight factor between the E-60 and G70 ..is large...on the surface..

The problem arises in the overall picture..let me just make a statement first..

When we look at what the E-60 does..it does it great[maybe the best for the money]..What it can't do, we need to add other gear to do the job..Here lies the problem for me..

Mainly the lack of the mic input necessitates carrying a mixer with effects..and if I needed the harmonizer...another piece of equipment..

The lack of audio inputs[for a laptop], also necessitates the mixer..

Now the weight issue has reversed..and the all in one G70 [with the other sound advantages and features, as the extra keyboard parts, and audio effects]..comes out the easy winner for me..

I even considered using the E-60 with the Roland cube 60 [spring reverb] for small jobs....but still to many sacrifices for me..overall..

The G70 allows me to mix all my gear with in the G70...levels for all the instrument parts, levels for mic and harmony, levels for laptop ..all right there on the keyboard...

This is my comfort zone...So although I will miss the E-60 for what it does...I won't miss it for what it doesn't do..

17 pounds more for the keyboard, but saving all the other hassles with extra gear to set up....G70 travels with me..all the time...Now about those roadies..

Better watch yourself, Fran. You may have contracted something from one of your friends(wishy-washy-itis). I think you should try to find another G1000. Then you could just recycle all your old posts.

chas

And a lot of us don't care.

Fran, I completely understand your stated reasons, BUT I thought the e60 was for your band jobs, not your solo gigs. Almost everything you say regarding the minuses of the e60 are minimal except for the harmonizer if you're working with a group and a PA system. But if you feel more comfortable with the G70, then no firther reasons are necessary.

I don't really care why you sold it and it's nobody's business but your own. I do think what you say holds true for you, even in your band setup. As the song says, love the one you're with. So stick with the G70 and enjoy what you're doing. Use the roadies.

Anyway, your selling price, just made my e60 purchase that much sweeter. What a deal I got!

Cared enough to respond..

Cass, You are correct , it was more than enough with the band..except the convenience of the audio input and control of the laptop..that is a main stay with the band..

tin,
since you do not care, you could as well skip the subject. no need to let us know that you dont care. you're only waisting my/our time.

fran,
what would be next? honestly, i envy you (in a good way!) for doing this! i'd love changing keyboards as fast as you and donny for that matter do.

Rationalization is the process of constructing a logical justification for a belief, decision, action or lack thereof that was originally arrived at through a different mental process.

This process can be in a range from fully conscious (e.g. to present an external defense against ridicule from others) to mostly subconscious (e.g. to create a block against internal feelings of guilt).

Adi, I agree. As for the future, Fran has been pretty consistent with his G1000 and G70 keyboards. Of what I know of the ol' guy, my guess would be nothing new unless it's Roland and a marked improvement over the G70.

As for the abundance of keyboards, I was just sitting here wondering the same thing and came to the conclusion the all of us here suffer from an abundance of time and money. The money issue can be argued, but we all seem to have enough of it to buy what we want when we want it. It just so happens that Donny and others (me included this year) like to switch out arrangers for one reason or another.

And in the end... if you pamper your equipment and are shrewd, you can recoup most or all your expenses when reselling... the love you take is equal to the love you make.

Ian, you learned that in Yamaha training course..didn't you?

Adi, I very reluctantly sold the E-60..I do not have anything in mind to buy next..The E-60 was the closest thing to the G70 for me, and in the end I missed the things I mentioned...

I hope you and Cass , as well as others keep the E-60's..It is a great instrument...

Keep in mind when I find something I really like ..I keep it as long as practical..My G1000 [9 years], My Roland cubes [22 years].. My accordion [45 years]..My favorite truck [29 years], and my wife [almost 45 years]..

No Fran...actually, I learned all about it by watching you and Donny.

Good Ian....stay the course there much more to come & learn ....now if we can get
Mr. Yee back on the SZ we'll be cookin' with gas baby!!!

apart the wife thing, i guess we have much more options now than few years ago!

there are more than one or two alternatives, and yes, i guess it's simply the fact you can make a change that would eventualy determine the change itself. which is good.

i'll keep the E60, but if i get a good offer for it, i might want to check the new korg (pa500, in the same price range).
there are some things that keeps me not completely happy with E60, and while there are some serious advantages, these little issues bugs me quite often. i am not sure if i'll ever be 100% happy with a keyboard (i might suffer from the same sindrome as many of us here ) but i am still on that quest for sure. the difference is i need to get the best price/quality ratio, so i only can "play" in the cheap(er) arranger zone.
so far, so good.
i tried korg, now it's roland, maybe next time will be a... probably another korg!

Maybe, for those that think that cost and time ARE a factor (must be nice to care about neither ), you might try looking at what, over the years, just TRYING new arrangers has cost you.

What did you pay for it, what did you sell it for...?

OK, probably not the biggest factor, but multiply that by EVERY arranger you've done that with in, say, the last three years.

Now here's the big one... How long did you have it for, and what is your time worth to you (by the hour)..?

If you are anything like me, then that is hundreds of hours spent making a Songbook, tweaking styles, importing and tweaking styles, tweaking registrations, and OTS's, re-voicing SMF's, perhaps recording MP3's...

Now THAT, if you value your time as highly as I do mine) really adds up to some SEROUS jack...

Food for thought...

BTW, I am not going to crow over Fran's decision... It was fairly obvious from the start where this was going. But perhaps, after he persuades our butterfly Donny to try a G70 again, he can buy that one off of him, and have himself a REAL backup to the G70

I just wish I could persuade myself that having TWO G70's is worth the money... Unfortunately, I think I'm better off saving my hard-earned jack, just in case the Chord Sequencer makes a return on the NEXT G-series... (Dear God, make it so!)

Diki, you may be looking at my buying habits in the wrong light...I enjoy new toys..Some folks like to golf, watch TV, go bowling, vacation in Bermuda, etc...I do not care for these things...I like playing with toys...I don't spend hours on hours tweaking anything..and most of the instruments I buy are pretty much compatible with each other...
When I find something I really like , I will spend more time with edits..

As for losing money buying and selling...doesn't happen in my world...I can't even recall the last time I took a loss..resale of a toy..

Not me...I'm so poor, the mice left.

i have a new theory:
some guys change keyboards all the time
so they have something else to shmooze about
on SZ.
from the amount of posts these guys have
every day
it seems that it is a central focus
of their lives
not that there is
anything
wrong with that.

------------------
Miami Mo

hey Mo we're Pro musicians......

"Money For Nothing..& The Chicks For Free"

and plenty of time in-between to fool around on SZ

OR...Some guys change keyboards all the time because they have nothing else to schmooze about on SZ.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Ian

No, and no again. People on this board are alot like golfers, bowlers, softballers, etc. Gotta have the latest club, ball, bat, etc. Don't mind paying the big bucks for the latest and greatest. Will argue with others over brand loyalty. Will sell to their friends for a profit so they can buy the next item on the list.

The fact that many of us make money at this game may be a little different than the other hobbyists, the concept is the same. I would venture a guess that most readers here would prefer to play music than golf, bowl or play softball.

On the other hand, on most golf forums you'll occasionally hear about golf TECHNIQUE, different courses, the best shot they ever made...

Sometimes I think that SZ is a covert industry advertisement site, and Donny is being paid to stir up dissatisfaction

Not having a dig, Fran, but wouldn't two minutes reading the E-60 brochure have made it apparent that the instrument did not have these features, and that it would therefore not meet your personal requirements?

I wouldn't have thought that you needed to go to all the trouble of buying one for these points not to be blinding obvious.

As a comparison, I cannot get on with pitch and mod wheels, much prefering a lever instead. As a result, a Tyros will never be on my shopping list as, despite its many undoubted vitues, I know I will never get on with its pitch wheel. I don't see much point in buying one just to confirm what I already know.

When you start looking at a potential new instrument, don't you have a list of 'must have' features to check against? If you did, surely the E-60 would have failed to pass the check list.

Regards - Mike

OK I have an IDEA!

BTW, this is meant in fun guys LAUGH!

I think the Big 3 on SZ should form a new reality TV show.

Lock them up in George Kaye's store for 3 weeks with ALL available keyboards to play. First one out with ONE keyboard WINS!!

Take out food only NO SZ of course!

It could be called?

'BIG Arranger showdown' or
'Keyboards WIN or LOSE'

I would watch it!

LOL!!!

-Linda

Education is what you get from reading the brochures.

Experience is what you get from not reading them.

Ian

And occasionally we have many great discussions about technique, style building, How to..., different players and song playing.

Donny is being paid to stir things up; didn't you know that?

And if you reaqlly crave more of the above than what we have to offer, there's always roland-arranger.com, but i guess you already know that, so your presence here says what?

Hmmmmmm Cass......that's all well and good just dont ask anyone to post a song that would be a mortal sin or knock the color of their keyboard either

What is a "mortal sin"?

Hey Mike, of course I knew what features the E-60 had and did not have...I read all that was available including the manual....so what....I didn't buy the E-60 to replace my main keyboard [G70]...I bought it to have a hands on "experience" and to try ways I could make it work for me..

It was not a mistake at all for me.....buying the E-60..I thoroughly enjoyed it, and consider it the best keyboard value in it's price range...

Who knows..I may even buy another one some day..

I will continue buying anything I want, even if it is for "experience"..I don't lose a dime, and have enough fun........I don't need to look at other pass times....You can consider my buying of equipment..as my hobby...

BTW: I even bought Yamaha keyboards..and I also knew all about them... ..still didn't lose a dime on them...but came very close.. ..Maybe I didn't quite enjoy those experiences..

Oh, it's one of those Christian, Catholic things. You know, like doing the ultimate wrong. Bad things that will get straight into hell, if you know what that is

a sin committed with a clear knowledge of its guilt, with full consent of the will, and concerning a grave matter; where circumstances allow ...

an unpardonable sin entailing a total loss of grace; "theologians list seven mortal sins"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Mortal Sin is an Australian thrash metal band that formed in 1985. The group formed around singer Mat Maurer and drummer Wayne Campbell in Sydney. ...

According to the beliefs of Roman Catholicism, a mortal sin is a sin that, unless confessed and absolved (or at least sacramental confession is willed if not available), condemns a person's soul to Hell after death.


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"The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make heaven of Hell, and a hell of Heaven"... John Milton

Hell? That's where the Devil lives, ain't it?

I'm not afraid of the Devil...I was married to his sister for 15 years.

Ian

Sartre said it best... "Hell is other people"

Me, I'd change it to 'Hell is others' arrangers"!

Patience is a virtue, gear lust is a sin... (not mortal, just venial).

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