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Making room for my new Yorkville NX750P

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 02-17-2008).]

(trying not to smirk too much)

Donny, this is unbelieveable. How can you do this? What does the Yorkville have that the Traynor doesn't? Aren't the two brands made by the same parent company?

Donny...SIXTY POUNDS ! SIXTY !!!!!
You're going the wrong way, my friend.

http://www.fbtusa.net/a900.html

I went from Yorkville powered speakers to FBT. Checkout the FBT stuff, I think most would be surprised at how good it is!!

Sure is a long throw from a pair of CM-30's. Are you getting a pair to replace the mackie SRM450's?


Yorkville

Let's get a little disclosure here, Donny...

You aren't buying all this stuff at MAP, are you? You are getting it at dealer cost through someone, yes? (Fran, or someone else?)

You say you aren't losing money doing this constant equipment swapping. Well, no-one's going to pay you MAP for a used piece of gear. And most stores have a 15% restocking fee (15% of a K4 is close to $150). Are you paying this just to try the amp?

I imagine most of us would have your approach to gear if it didn't cost us anything (but our time!), but in all fairness, that's not how most of us have access to equipment. It would help explain a LOT about your habits if you 'fessed up about what kind of price you are paying. You've gone through what? Four arrangers in the last year?

For the rest of us mere mortals, thats about $1000 in either restocking fees, or depreciation (buy new, sell used). And that's just the arrangers! Now add all the rest of the stuff you try.

So, please be honest... Are you getting your stuff at a dealer discount..?

It's not that we mind, far from it. Good on 'yer, mate! It just would just go a long way to explaining why you never settle down and remain satisfied with one setup. If it costs you nothing to do this, or maybe you even make out a little ( ), what you are doing makes a lot more sense.

Seems like Donny got a bargain on floor samples of the CM-30's and asked as much or close to it as he paid (maby more). If you have the time, that's the way to minimize total equipment costs, especially, when you add the depreciation factor.

Of course, if you depreciate a piece to zero, you're supposed to pay capital gains tax on the proceeds from the sale (*or difference between book value and selling proceeds). And, we ALL know we each look forward to paying that, right?

At least that's a better approach than mine. I just stack old equipment in the warehouse and let it rot!

CPA (in a previous life) Lay



[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 02-15-2008).]

Diki,
What we pay is our own business. many of us have connections that allow for extra special deals. I pride myself on almost NEVER allowing depreciation on anything I buy. I always seem to sell b4 I loose. That's a personal skill I seem to have mastered. I know many others on the forum can buy at wholesale, or close to it.
I also keep good relationships with ALL my dealer frineds because I need service too, and I like to help the businessman out.

No one needs to disclose their buying trends to anyone, or justify why they upgrade more often than others. Let's just learn from each other, and give back when we can!

BTW - Russ, that was a VERY entertaing read!

And quite a lot, from what I read, do not...

How much anyone pays is their own business, I completely agree. But when one of us is CONSTANTLY going through new equipment, and rarely holds on to anything for more than a few weeks, well, that's a game that few can play without starting to lose money. You HAVE to buy WELL below MAP to be able to turn things over at that rate without losing a whole stack of change.

All I wanted was some kind of clue as to how Donny manages to get away with this. It would certainly explain a lot.

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 02-16-2008).]

Maybe the peace of mind that Donny gets from upgrading is worth a few bucks in "trial" expenses. Some people buy lotto tickets, others play slot machines, still others piss away their money at the bar during the gig. (yeah, yeah..I said the G word) It's all in how you rate the cost of entertainment. I, for one, can be very entertained at the casino spending no more than $20 or $20 dollars. That's it! That's all I need to spend.If I win a little - great, if I don't, then I've PAID for entertainment value.

Donny doesn't get hurt too bad in the long run. What he losses on one, he makes up for on another. It's a bigger mistake to keep an expensive instrument that isn't right for your needs than to cut bait and move on, right?

Donny's fickle with gear, but he's got a heart of gold, and I know if I need someone to watch my back - he's there. Make yourself a few good friends like that in a lifetime, and you'll be a successful man!

60 pounds--NO FREAKIN' WAY!

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

My own personal opinion is that one should spend more time practicing their music than buying and selling their equipment since a competent musician could make most average keyboards sound good anyway. Beyond a certain point the difference in entertainment value from various equipment becomes marginal.

This is NOT a reflection on Dnj. Just stating a "personal opinion. When you're given the gift of music, you have a responsibility to nurture it and use it to make the world a happier place. Not everyone has been blessed with the talent that we've all been given!

But I don't see ANY 'peace of mind' from this upgrading odyssey. It's been over a year now since he ditched his much loved (and evangelized) PSR3k. Since then, he's gone through just about every major arranger there is. And every time it's this bipolar "This thing is amazing... You all should get one of these... You are idiots if you don't get one of these... Oh, sorry, it's for sale... I hate it...". Rinse and repeat.

That doesn't sound like a search for peace of mind. That sounds like a cry for intervention! Perhaps a call to AAA (Arranger Addicts Anonymous) might help? Friends don't let friends constantly audition and BUY new arrangers...

Now, you all know I'm just KIDDING, here, don't you?

I'm just curious to see what Donny has to say about all these arrangers the second (or third!) time he buys one. It might be fun to compare it to his first reviews, and see if history does indeed repeat itself...

Donny's going through a 'nice' period, right now, and I, for one, am going to let sleeping dogs lie..........to the extent that I can .

chas


Just teasing, Donny; please don't wake up.

Sorry. I was not being nice, so I edited myself.

[This message has been edited by cassp (edited 02-18-2008).]

It sounds like a great amp but the weight factor scares me off. A few years ago I inherited a 50 pound Peavy keyboard amp. I traded that in a hurry for a smaller Roland keyboard amp, that I still use at home.



[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 02-18-2008).]

Sorry double post

[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 02-18-2008).]

I remember the days when Donny was using a pair of Barbetta Sona 32-Cs, which sounded fantastic. They punched out lots of power at 450-watts RMS and only weigh 36.5 pounds. If I had to have full stereo, I would give them serious consideration.

Sona 32 Specifications:

Description:


Active, Bi-amplified Two-Way System.

Type of System:


Full Range, Active PA Cabinet™.

Total Power:


450 Watts.

Woofers:


15 inch, 50 Oz. Magnet.

Woofer Amplifier:


High Slew-rate, Class “A” Gain Stage,
Active Control Technology™ (Patented.)

Voice Coil: 2 Inch, 2 layer Copper.

Tweeter: 4 x 10 Inch Constant Directivity Horn.

Tweeter Amplifier: High bandwidth, Class AB, MultiLoop™ Control System (Patented.)

Cabinet construction:Litebox™ Lightweight Cabinet Structure. (Patent Pending.)

Cabinet Finish:Polypropylene Felt Carpet.

Input Section, "L" Version:


Balanced Line Input with Dual Sensivity and Active Fader.

Input Section,
"C" Version:
Four ¼ inch TRS Balanced Line with Individual Faders,Balanced MIC Pre-Amp.

Controls and Outputs;
"C" Version:
Global 3-Band EQ, Master Fader, Effect Loop, XLR Output.

Crossover Point: 2330 Hz.

Signal Processing:Exclusive MosPath™ FET Signal Path.

Amplifier Type:High Speed Bi-Polar.

Amplifier Cooling:Internally Mounted Fan. (Patent Pending.)
Amplifier Power, Woofer:300 Watts RMS Peak.

Amplifier Power, Tweeter:150 Watts RMS peak.

Weight:36 ½ Pounds.

Dimensions:17 x 14 x 21 Inches.

List Price, "C" version:$899 List. (Typical Street Price Range: $659 - $749)*
List Price, "L" version:$849 List. (Typical Street Price Range: $629 - $719)*

Stage Cabinets have wide dispersion bullet tweeters. PA Systems have controlled spersion long throw horns. Barbetta products with a "C" in the model number have a multiple input combo pre-amp with channel gain and global EQ. Models with an "L" in the model number have a single balanced input channel with dual sensitivity and active fader.

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

First of all, I am with UD. I consider Donny my friend. He has always been right there for me. As far as equipment is conscerned, it is none of my business how much gear he buys. I am not much better, but consider the fact that Donny is a working pro, and I know music quality is extremely important to him, as it is to me. As he has said many times, keyboards and like equipment are merely machines.

In other words, they are just tools to attain the best sound possible for him. He buys a keyboard and very enthusiastically explores it, hoping that he has found the Holy Grail. Since we all know it is mighty elusive, chances are it is going to happen again. The bottom line is that he leaves no stone unturned. Besides that, he lways gives a good review. Even if the review contains subjective elements, it is bound to be informative.

I have purchased a Kn7000, a PA800, a Bose PAS, and Roland CM30's, due in part to Uncle Dave and Donny. I wouldn't sell any of them.

Bernie

Did I mention that I will give a special price to SZ members on this Traynor K4 Keyboard amp w/ custom cover...
it sells for $800.00 - $825.00 online.

serious buyers please, drop me an email before it sells on Ebay.

onemanband52@yahoo.com

Gary, they are great, but I actually prefer the smaller 31C. They seem to have punchier bass response, and are even smaller and lighter.
The 32 has a little longer throw though.
DonM

Don based on your advice I purchase a 31c about 2 years ago. It has served me well and you're right about the weight factor. My wife picked it up loaded it into the SUV for
Saturday's gig. Under doctor's it will be a few weeks before I'm allowed to pick up more than 1o pounds. She also loaded and unloaded my pa2xpro at 39 pounds she struggled with that a bit, but managed and was my roadie for the gig. Ah, life is good!!

I also took DonM's advise & traded my Barbetta 32c for the lighter & more compact Barbetta 31c & I am very happy with the sound.
Thanks Don!

the K4 is 57+ lbs, according to Traynor, not the 50 lbs it was first advertised at which they admit was a mistake..so 60 for Donny is not that big a step..i wouldn't consider any amp over 40 lb-- but i really would like to
know why Donny and his bud Fran both went gaga
over the K4..and now suddenly he thinks he has
found something significantly better from the same parent company. Tell us DNJ!!!!

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Miami Mo

Better? No....More powerful yes....

Just because a change is made doesn’t mean something is wrong….I don’t see why the obsession with weight always comes up when I don’t really lift them anyway at gigs....I'd rather bring a little more quality & weight with me then playing out using computer speakers like I've seen some people do
I load my Rock & Roller Kart & into the gig I go 1 trip.
Our needs are very different for our gigging situations....so what I do & what others do are totally different & have needs as such....the Traynor K4 is a killer KB amp with super sound, flexibility & tubes to soften your sound if needed. ...Make no mistake sound wise it’s in a class that is hard to beat period.
I have sound gear for smaller gigs but for my big ones which are all dance orientated & have to pump the floor I just need a bit more in way of power & speaker size to cover the audience & room size, hence the upgrade in a nutshell. The Yorkville NX 750p’s should fit the bill nicely they make quality gear & during A/B’ing against many TOTL powered speakers they sound the best to my ears in many ways and should do the job admirably.

Stay well

Enjoy your music

No Longer for sale

Thanx