Can you tell me more about drum samples, programing drums, and drum machines. WHich one you prefer, avron45? you said that I can download drum patterns from internet. How do I program it myself, is it hard. Do I have to write bass, and everything else myself.
My friend said he's going to buy some new Technics keyboard, and that he don't want to get Korgs because of programing(he said that it is too much work to write bass and everything else). Maybe it worth buying a keyboard that you can program, and then get some programed drums, and accompaniment.(Could I copy that stuff from other keyboard, maybe his)? I really appresiate your help, guys.

Well... I can't answer for Arvon but...... yes you have to program everything in (Bass,Drums,etc.), or download it from the internet. Programming it in can be hard, but it can also be quite easy... it all depends on whether or not you know what you want it to sound like and if you know how to get there. For example: suppose you wanted to program in a Soft Rock beat for one of your songs.... you would probably use step-by-step recording to program it in... this normally starts off with you telling the keyboard what to play and then telling it how long to play it (I'm almost sure about that anyway) then you proceed to the next "step" Example: you tell the keyboard to play a bass drum and a hi-hat cymbal on beat one, then you go to beat two and tell it to play just the hi-hat, beat three has the hi-hat and a snare drum, and beat four just has the hi-hat... then you can probably tell the keyboard to loop this thing over and over again, then eventually you would add fill-ins and variations for choruses and other stuff. If you didn't know what a basic drum pattern is like though, you would end up with something that sounds like a new drummer just banging around. That's just my understanding though, I could be totally wrong, the only keyboard I've ever programmed stuff in on is a fairly cheap thing that is probably a whole lot weaker than the Triton's sequencer.

Now on the other hand with an arranger keyboard (such as the Roland G-1000, EM-2000 and most likely the Technics keyboard your friend is getting), you don't have to program hardly anything in..... Arranger's use "styles" which are preprogrammed drum, bass, rhythm guitar, etc. accompaniment parts. Most of the time you tell it what chord progression to follow and then start it up and trigger fill-ins, variations, endings, etc. by footpedals or buttons on the keyboard. This allows you to find the style of a song you want to do (Rock, Swing, Soft Rock, etc.) in the style bank of the arranger keyboard and then just hit start and the bass, drums and other parts will automatically follow the chords you play (I think) You can still program in things like on other keyboards, but you also have the flexibility of live performance. For more info on arranger keyboards and to find out if you can load the styles from your friends keyboard into whatever you decide to get, go to the "General Arranger Keyboard Forum" on this site and post there. Hope this helps you.

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\\Can you tell me more about drum samples, programing drums, and drum machines. WHich one you prefer, avron45? you said that I can download drum patterns from internet. How do I program it myself, is it hard.\\


The Triton comes with 1,024 built in sounds. Many sounds you need will be right there with the push of a button.

Programming can be fairly hard, but not a big deal.

Besides, if you want to learn programming, it's good to have a real synth, right?

\\ Do I have to write bass, and everything else myself. \\


No. the Triton has many bass patches standard. You can edit them any way you like.

\\My friend said he's going to buy some new Technics keyboard, and that he don't want to get Korgs because of programing(he said that it is too much work to write bass and everything else). \\

No. You are provided with plenty of bass sounds on the Triton.

\\Maybe it worth buying a keyboard that you can program,\\

Yes.


\\ and then get some programed drums, and accompaniment.(Could I copy that stuff from other keyboard, maybe his)\\


You cant copy it from other keyboard except Tritons. Their called PCG files. BUT the Triton ALSO has a full sampelr, which lets you record any sound you want to into the Triton.

No offense meant Arvon, but I don't think SW is talking about the patches (sounds) themselves..... I think he's talking about the patterns (for example a bass line in a song) that you can play and program on the synth. It is my understanding that the Triton has a sequencer, but no preset drum accompaniment or bass lines, rhythm guitar patterns, etc. Not the sounds themselves but the patterns that use them. Hope I'm making sense here. I think he would do better getting something like an arranger keyboard with patterns and styles, or if he does get the Triton to get either a drum machine or something like the Boss JS5. Am I right Springwood.... are you looking to have preset drum patterns, bass lines, etc. Or are you just looking to have good sounds and program everything in the sequencer????

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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I don't really know what I want. Are arangement keyboards progrmable. What do you think about technics kn6000? The accompaniment with guitar, rythms, and bass is cool, but I feel that it is like not anough sound. feels like I want' to add more of my stuff.

Hey Springwood..... I hope I'm not discouraging you any, you said earlier that y'all have two guitars and a piano, right. Well then, with the two guitars you probably wouldn't need the guitar parts of the arranger keyboard styles or the piano parts for that matter..... that pretty much leaves bass and drums. Programming in a bass line to a sequencer shouldn't be that hard..... especially if you can get one of your guitarists to help you some (most guitar players know a little bit about bass) The drum part might be a little harder, but like I said.... you could always get a drum machine for the drum parts. I am looking to get an Alesis SR-16 drum machine very soon.... It has 50 preprogrammed drum accompaniments with two variations on each basic rhythm and the ability to trigger drum fill-ins by footpedal. Push the pedal and it plays a fill-in and changes from variant A to B or vice-versa. You can also program in your own drum patterns like on a sequencer. I'm pretty sure most arranger keyboards have sequencers also.... and you can program in your own "styles" too. Sorry, I don't know much about the Technics keyboard you mentioned..... Post in the arranger forum and you're sure to get info on it though.

Now... if you feel you could program in the bass part and other instrument parts you wanted into a sequencer, you could always get a good-sounding synth with just a sequencer and no "styles" and then get a drum machine for the drum parts. A couple good synths would be, of course, the Triton; also the Roland XP 60 and XP 80 ($1100 and $1400 I think) Then get something like the Alesis SR-16 I mentioned earlier (this runs $200 new and about $100-150 used) If you go with one of the Roland's (or the Triton for that matter) you get access to a wide range of expansion boards that cover almost every musical genre there is. The Roland expansion board library currently has around 20 different boards ranging from just pianos and keyboards to ethnic instruments.... can't say I know to much about the Triton's expansion boards.... I know there's not quite as many of them, but they have the MOSS expansion board which is supposed to be one of the best boards out there and about 10 other boards.

A little extra something to consider..... The Roland XP's have RPS (Realtime Phrase Sequencing) which lets you program in a midi file pattern on the sequencer for many different parts of a song (intro, verse, chorus, bridge, etc.) and then "map" these to different keys on the keyboard (like use the lowest 5 black keys or something) and then while playing the keyboard you can trigger the synth to play the sequenced accompaniment for whatever part you need. It's not quite as versatile as an arranger keyboard, but it would work. I don't know if Triton has something like this.... but I'm sure Arvon could answer that.

One last thing, what did you mean by "feels like I want to add more of my stuff"??????? Were you talking about sounds or programmed parts to songs or what???

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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.