Its not really a yamaha question but more a generall question related to all keyboards that can use styles translated by EMC from yamaha.

Currently i am using a yamaha Tyros and i am thinking about upgrading... preferably i want to use Vst instruments in a life setting, but most of all i want atleast 76 keys, So if the Tyros 3 does not have 76 keys, its a no go for me, And even if it has 76 keys i highly doubt that i will buy a T3 if they don't support Vst's (Just fallen inlove with vst power in my home studio)

So i was wondering how my current styles would convert to Mediastation or Wersi using the EMC style converter. I have tried to convert some Roland styles to Yamaha in the past using a previous build of EMC and i was not to delighted with the results.
Now i understand that both Mediastation and wersi OAS can have a soundset set-up for Yamaha/Tyros styles so they sound good...

Does anyone have any experience with this?

Hi Bachus

Don't ever expect converted styles to sound as good as at the instrument they were created for.
Even to get acceptable results often requires at lot of tweaking.

Regards
Jørgen

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Hi Bachus
The Wersi OAA can play all Yamaha styles without conversion, (No external software required) and in most instances sound better on the Wersi due to the sound system. (The Yamaha sound system tends to compress and round off the sounds)
EMC Styleworks is fully integrated (You would not know if it was not mentioned in the manual) into the OAS system (It just requires activating) which means other manufactures styles can also be converted. (Due to the integration, the conversions are far superior to the software alone) In addition the OAA can display and use all the variations/ fills etc that are available on any other instrument. (These are automatically made available when the converted style is selected)
Hope this helps

Bill

So, are you trying to tell me that Yamaha and roland styles sound just as good on the Wersi as on the orriginall instrumenets..and that i can load them natively?

If thats true...then that certainly is more then anyone ever could expect...

Thanks Bill fro your reply

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Bill this is fascinating news on the Wersi conversions. I would love to hear some short demos of the popular Yamaha styles played thru the Wersi for example. Movie Swing, Rock Cha Cha, Merengue, Classic Big Band, 6/8 slow Rock, 70's Disco, Big Band Shuffle, etc.

I would LOVE to hear head to heads of the same style on Yamaha and Wersi. But NOT Wersi's choice (I've heard a few, and they don't seem to be very Mega-using ones).

Get a T2 owner to pick the BEST three styles that show off the Mega and SA technology, and then play those on a Wersi. No tweaking. No cheating... Straight off the outputs recording. BOTH versions. I dare you

Sorry, Bill, but the Mega stuff is proprietary... How does Wersi deal with that? That claim of Yamaha styles sounding better on a Wersi strikes me as awfully arrogant... Or maybe just biased

Only Yamaha styles can be played directly.
The rest are converted, however because Wersi has full control of the conversion process, you get a more superior conversion compared to the software on a computer. (It is however still a conversion, just a better conversion them normal)
Diki
Are you now saying that overnight all Yamaha boards now have a full live sound and have dropped the compressed CD quality sound, so that they now sound as live as Roland, Korg, Ketron, Wersi etc, if so, then yes, the Wersi voices will not be any better then on a Yamaha, but somehow I don’t think Yamaha has changed their sound system overnight.
Mega voices: Wersi have their own equivalents, which operate identically to the Yamaha Mega voices, and can also be edited.
SA voices cannot be used in styles on a Yamaha; however there are as good and better voices available via VSTs, and all these can be used in any of the styles on a Wersi.
Hope this clears a few things up
BTW do a search on SZ and you will find plenty of sound demos and videos of Yamaha styles played on a Wersi. (Also do a web search)
Regards

Bill

I actually found the post where you and ianmcnll where discussing the soundquallity of Yammie styles vs the Wersi variation of that style...
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/016843.html


And i have to agree that the Wersi sounds more live where the Yammies sound more CD like.... some might like yammie sound better then hte Wersi sound, But i am sure that its possible to make the Wersi sound a little more CD quallity too by using some FX..

Overall i am impressed by the Wersi "conversion" quallity

Hi ,
Obviously Yamaha styles are the easiest format to be able to be cloned.
One Man Band & Livestyler software are living proof of that. For $50 USD & a pc you basically have the equivalent of a psr keyboard. Where they basically fall down is that they don't have a soundsource that plays back the styles faithfully, especially the mega voices. Most people don't want to spend time tweaking styles.

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Bill, are you saying that the wersi actually plays back the various types of sounds triggered via different velocities. I'm not referring to strum noises or fret noises
(my PA800 can reproduce those also), I'm referring to sounds on the nylon guitar voice like "open soft" at a velocity of between 1 to 20, "open medium" at a velocity of between 21 to 40, a hammer between 91 to 105 etc etc
Truly remarkable if they've managed to do that.
Just wondering why though , a wersi conversion in your opinion, would be superior to an emc pc conversion ? Same company writes the software I assume?

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Personally I've found that when converting it's not only the quality of the sound that determines the outcome. If EMC doesn't convert the notes correctly it wouldn't matter what the soundsource is, it still won't sound right.
I personally agree with Jorgen,

Quote:
Don't ever expect converted styles to sound as good as at the instrument they were created for.

One option I'm looking at in the future is,
my PA800 as controller , midied to a laptop for vst's.
Pa800 style parts, vst soundsource for melody voices.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by abacus:
[B]Only Yamaha styles can be played directly.
The rest are converted, however because Wersi has full control of the conversion process, you get a more superior conversion compared to the software on a computer. (It is however still a conversion, just a better conversion them normal)

Bill, are you saying that the wersi actually plays back the various types of sounds triggered via different velocities. I'm not referring to strum noises or fret noises
(my PA800 can reproduce those also), I'm referring to sounds on the nylon guitar voice like "open soft" at a velocity of between 1 to 20, "open medium" at a velocity of between 21 to 40, a hammer between 91 to 105 etc
Truly remarkable if they've managed to do that.

Yes

Just wondering why though, a wersi conversion in your opinion would be superior to an emc pc conversion? Same company writes the software I assume?

The manufactures have a more in depth understanding of their sound system, and so can modify and manipulate the conversion much more accurately. Also with the regular updates to the instrument, there is no way that an external software program could keep up.
Additionally I don’t think the current Styleworks (XT) supports the Wersi OAA format, whereas the program inside the Wersi does.
Regards

Bill