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#233128 - 04/24/08 07:51 AM live drums
Bachus Offline
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Live drums as used by Roland and wersi, allow for a real time played drum sample/track to be delayed os go faster when you change the tempo of a song..

So are there any other brands out there also using this technique? And could it be that there are keyboards that allow for this technique to be used with all their accomp. tracks?

Its that all these keyboards have fancy names for certain stuff and they all mean the same, so please enlighten me on this question....
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#233129 - 04/24/08 09:01 AM Re: live drums
Fran Carango Offline
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Ketron does...

also Lionstracs

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 04-24-2008).]
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#233130 - 04/24/08 10:34 AM Re: live drums
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But if you look at the take up of Time sliced drum loops, it has not been that great. (Wersi came out in 2000, with Ketron following later and then Mediastation) so I wouldn’t hold your breath.
There are quite a number of VSTs that use them though.
Hope this helps

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#233131 - 04/24/08 12:35 PM Re: live drums
Fran Carango Offline
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Bill, for the record Ketron came out with the X1 1998,1999...with drum loops used with the arranger...Maybe they were first..
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#233132 - 04/25/08 12:37 AM Re: live drums
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
You want first? Try 1994...

Take a look at ReCycle... The original slice and dice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCycle Basically, D&B music would not exist if it wasn't for that program. Not to mention all the follow up software and hardware units.

Mind you, it did one thing that STILL is rarely implemented in arranger slice and dice implementation. What do you get if you slice and dice, and play a loop SLOWER than the original...? That's right - GAPS. Speed up is no problem, but slow down, and you have tiny gaps in the sound as the slices are pulled further and further apart.

ReCycle would time-stretch just the tail end of the slice (not the whole slice) so that you could slow down a loop quite a bit without gaps appearing. This is still done in most software, nowadays. But somehow this detail hasn't made it to some hardware... and may be why it isn't quite as successful as software equivalents.
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#233133 - 04/25/08 07:03 AM Re: live drums
DanO1 Offline
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Loc: Maryland
Bachus... you and I have something in common.
We both use our arrangers for original material and from what I heard of your music and it's good work.

Visit my website http://www.esnips.com/web/SongsfromDanO
and determine for yourself if the "live " drums from Ketron are what your looking for.
I would love to hear your songs recorded with a Ketron product.
I'm not saying my tunes are great, but I put a lot of work into trying to use my arranger creatively and at least you can hear what we have in common. If you include your email address with your profile, I would have sent this to you privately.... Have a great day ...
Dan O'
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