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#233297 - 04/28/08 10:58 AM Deebach..
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During my adventures on youtube i bumped intoo this...

http://www.youtube.com/user/DeebachOrgans
http://www.deebach.com/00000198670088307/0000019867008c311/index.html

It seems these people take a Korg PA2X(upper) and a Korg M3(lower) add it intoo one box... then somehow add a lot of their very own sounds including direct of the box compatabillity with Tyros styles and sounds..

And then somehow they make everything controllable straight from the PA2X..

It sounds sweet...(and it can be played without peddals as a double keyboard)
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#233298 - 04/28/08 06:50 PM Re: Deebach..
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Bachus,
I saw that a few days ago too...I can't read German so I don't know what the details are. Certainly is a PA2 on top. May just be a MIDI keyboard on the bottem? Did they say it is a M3 on the bottem?
Interesting about the Yamaha Styles... no one seems to be able to do that but Wersi???
That would be SWEET!

I have a poor mans version of this right now.

PA2XPRO on top CME 76 key MIDI board on the bottem VERY close to PA2 (as good as any organ I have owned. a 13 note ( certainly could use a 25) pedal board for controlling style functions ot playing bass notes ( at the change of a switch on the pefdalboard) all with dynamic and aftertouch.

Plays very nicely... just getting started with setting up all the performances and songbook entrys.

Lee
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#233299 - 04/29/08 07:55 AM Re: Deebach..
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Intriguing! I feel many of us here long to go back to the integrated 2-kbd days. I know that much can be done using midi, but I've never figured it out. I'm waiting for Nord to come out with a C1-Stage 73 combo.
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#233300 - 04/29/08 12:27 PM Re: Deebach..
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Quote:
Originally posted by cassp:
Intriguing! I feel many of us here long to go back to the integrated 2-kbd days. I know that much can be done using midi, but I've never figured it out. I'm waiting for Nord to come out with a C1-Stage 73 combo. wink


If you have a Tyros 2 it is done for you, by adding a Reggi Stick.
http://www.yamaha-club.co.uk/go.php?action=page&pid=44

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#233301 - 04/29/08 03:34 PM Re: Deebach..
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Quote:
Originally posted by cassp:
I'm waiting for Nord to come out with a C1-Stage 73 combo.


Amen to that one. Day that comes out, they are getting MY money!

61 on the top, 76 weighted on the bottom would be my choice, but 73 plastic would still be cool... and a lot lighter! I've played the Electro 61 quite a bit, and I'm afraid for all but Hammond and Clav, that key-bed is just a hair too light for me. Playing Rhodes and Wurli, especially, I need a bit more resistance to really get into it...

But, if that's what they come out with, it'll still get my money!
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#233302 - 04/29/08 03:56 PM Re: Deebach..
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Gang.... you can do this right now!
And it does not cost an arm & leg to do. Lower manual only or also with 13 or 25 note pedal board all with aftertouch...
It is not that hard.

Also, you can add 1 or more external sound modules if you want them too....OR use PC based samplers/Romplers VST also.

Lee
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#233303 - 04/30/08 12:57 PM Re: Deebach..
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And how would we go about this?
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#233304 - 04/30/08 03:45 PM Re: Deebach..
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The problem isn't so much assembling the components, but getting all of them to talk fluently to each other. For one reason or another, ever since the arranger manufacturers stopped making arranger MODULES, the MIDI implementation on them has got poorer and poorer, as they assume (probably correctly, in most cases) that these will be standalone units with nary a single thing EVER hooked up to them.

Add to that that the majority of MIDI remote keyboards have all the controls on the TOP, rather than at the sides or detachable, and it is difficult to get them in close enough to recreate the 'organ experience', where close spaced manuals are what make moving around so easy.

One thing I have been trying to get to arranger manufacturers attention (and I hope you all try as well) is the ability to plug in a dumb MIDI keyboard, one MIDI channel, no PC#'s, and have the arranger map the splits and layers, etc. to that one keyboard. It's what they do with their own internal keyboard, being able to do it to a secondary keyboard would open out all kinds of possibilities.

Want to play PianoStyle Mode, but on a weighted 88? (for you, Ian!)... There are quite considerable programming hoops you have to jump through to achieve this with a remote keyboard. Want to mirror the arranger's main keyboard on a second arranger (and combine the two)? Damn near impossible, nowadays (but it didn't used to be).

Want something MORE than what your arranger gives you as a completely isolated keyboard? Scream blue bloody murder at the manufacturers. Because, every model that comes out is just that bit less capable than previous models, and this trend won't change until you let them know you want more...!
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#233305 - 04/30/08 03:46 PM Re: Deebach..
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Hi Cassp
1. Switch of keyboard split
2. Connect Midi out of 2nd keyboard to Midi in of 1st Keyboard
3. Set 1st keyboard to receive on channel 2 (Or whatever your arranger uses for the left hand split)
4. Set your 2nd keyboard to transmit on channel 2 (Or whatever your 1st keyboard requires for the left hand split)
5. You now have a 2 manual instrument
If you’re not sure about something, (And this may sound Alien) have a good read of the owner’s manual.
If you have a Tyros 2 the Reggi Stick has all the set-up done for you, so you just add your second keyboard.
Hope this helps

Bill
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#233306 - 04/30/08 04:32 PM Re: Deebach..
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Bill, that's a great solution, as long as you want simple one sound per manual, but once you get into more sophisticated splits and layers (like we see in some of the better Wersi demos), you need the MAIN arranger to be able to map that on the secondary keyboard for you, and also chose whether the chord recognition is coming from the lower end of the UPR manual, or LWR one (or both, or neither, or a combination of LWR and pedals, etc., etc.).

You need registration changes from ONE place to be able to do all that, not different commands from the arranger, lower manual keyboard, and pedals. Integration is what makes the organ such a powerful tool. Lose that, and you are simply running a normal multi-keyboard rig, and one thats' main sound-source is NOT set up well for this purpose...
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