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#239552 - 08/07/08 01:43 PM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
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Fran,

Each section of the tower is 250-watts RMS--total (2 sections) 500-watts RMS, just for the tower. The sub is 250-watts RMS. The total, combined RMS power is 750-watts, and that's from the manual that is in my hot little hand! The total, peak power rating is 1,400-watts in both the U.S. and Canada. The peak rush current is 32 amps. I don't know where you got your manual, but mine came with the system.

Now, lets address your Rolands and Yorkvilles. Considering the fact that your hearing has been shot to hell for years from hearing all that distorted sound bouncing from the walls, I wouldn't trust YOUR EARS to determine which amp has the most of anything.

And, just in case your eyesight is shot to hell as well, here's a link to the specs for the L1. Click Here

Cheers,

Gary
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#239553 - 08/07/08 02:05 PM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Gary I got the document from the same page..Go to the doc section and download..

I don't believe the Electric usage 1,400 watts is the peak...

I guess I better start calling my Cubes 220 watts..

I guess my audiences all have their hearing loss too..(for real)..

No one has ever told me they preferred the Bose over "conventional " systems...quite the opposite...on several occasions...

They want to feel my "bottom" heavy sound..especially to "hotties" that can still hear..

Dave you would be surprised how well the horn and tweeter can deliver..if you want to cut the woofer down...I have recently found out that the components Roland used in those "old" amps were simply the best..in fact it takes mucho bucks to match them with today's components..

I hope I have them for another 25 years..and can still hear them..

Now my eyes..nothing wrong with them..

Read the manual..
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#239554 - 08/07/08 03:58 PM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
travlin'easy Offline
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Fran,

I thought you were familiar with Ohm's Law, but I guess that's not the case. Look it up using Google, then you will find that what I posted was indeed the actual power--IT'S 1,400-WATTS PEAK, 750-WATTS RMS. You can also go to the Bose forum and get the same information. This isn't rocket science. READ THE MANUAL!

As for the Solo, the GC here doesn't stock them. It's a special order item, and the guy at GC said they are primarily used for guitar players doing small niteclub jobs. He said they're OK for guitars and vocals, but have no bottom end. I don't have any first hand information, mainly because there is no place I could find locally that handles them or has one in stock.

Check out those peepers fran! Those hotties may not be as hot as you thought.

Cheers,

Gary

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#239555 - 08/07/08 05:19 PM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
Fran Carango Offline
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Gary I have two senses that are still perfect...my vision (Eye sight and reading a person.. )..and I have a good sense of smell...including when something is fishy..
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#239556 - 08/07/08 05:26 PM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
Fran Carango Offline
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
BTW: Gary you know as well as I do...these numbers mean nothing....and it is the sound pressure level (SPL) that delivers...This has to be over 124 SPL to be considered "professional"...

And the 4 ohms is a shortcut to get the most out of a lower power source...usually resulting in a harsh, brittle sound...

The good stuff will always be 8 ohms..

What do you think the SPL on the Bose are?

Maybe that is on Bose site...but I bet ..NOT..


Just a difference in opinion from to "old" guys..but you are still a tad older..
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#239557 - 08/07/08 06:18 PM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
travlin'easy Offline
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"Just a difference in opinion from to "old" guys..but you are still a tad older.."

And don't ever forget it KID!

Cheers,

Gary

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#239558 - 08/07/08 08:14 PM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
Uncle Dave Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:


And the 4 ohms is a shortcut to get the most out of a lower power source...usually resulting in a harsh, brittle sound...

The good stuff will always be 8 ohms..



Oh, you silly, silly man .... almost all amps will deliver their full output to 4 ohms. They sell these units with 8 ohm loads for protection and expansion.
For the record: "harsh and brittle" are the farthest things from an accurate description of any Bose product...just ask some of those hearing impaired, "hotties" that need the extra ooomph to dance.

Your info is so off base on those cubes - you will be the only person to have them in 20 years, so it's good that you love them so much!
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#239559 - 08/07/08 11:28 PM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
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I will happily bet a case of Möet that in twenty years time, more people will be playing through conventional PA's and cubes than will be playing through stick line arrays...

I remember exactly the same hype and drivel when Bose came out with the 802 type systems... 'Oh yeah... in the future, EVERYONE will be playing through these kinds of speaker systems...' 'It's the future of live sound', yada yada yada...

Well, maybe some 'alternate' future... You know, the one with the flying cars and the vast modern clean metropolises, with no poverty and shiny happy people holding hands....
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#239560 - 08/08/08 05:16 AM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
Uncle Dave Offline
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Most of you Bose haters are missing the point. The conventional systems are not the standard in large concerts at all - line arrays are the thing. The Bose has brought this technology to the smaller venues...and quite brilliantly.

The simple fact is this:
One Bose tower can fill a room with better sound in more places than a box on a stick sysetem. Sure, the boxes MAY sound wonderful, but not the same coverage. There are extra loud spots, extra quiet spots, dead spots and boomy spots.....with the Bose - everything, everywhere is smooth, even and balanced.

We "believers" are only trying to share this wonderful news with the rest of you, but if you insist on buying into the dinasaurs .... more work for me!
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#239561 - 08/08/08 07:01 AM Re: Is Bose L1 better than Logitech Z5500?
travlin'easy Offline
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
DITTO DAVE! Diki, I'll take that bet and hopefully both of us will be alive 20 years from now so I can collect.

BTW: Vertical arrays have been in use in extremely large venues much longer than anyone can imagine. My first encounter with them was in 1961 while working for Executone Corporation in Baltimore. We were installing them in huge churches and halls and they were marketed as Sound Columns. The speakers were a bit larger then, 6-inch if I recall correctly, and most of the cabinets were made of wood, which was custom finished to resemble wooden beams in the cathedreals. Sound Columns were positioned in each corner of the church, with the base of the unit about 6 feet above the floor.

Sure brings back some fond memories. The installations were hair raising, especially when you consider the ceiling height of the churches, which is where all the wiring was routed. All the work was done on jury-rigged extension ladders so they could reach high enough to encase the wiring beneath wooden molding.

At the church my daughter attends, they have a pair of Bose columns on each side of a massive alter. The subs are hidden beneath the alter's table, which is covered with a velvet tapestry. The columns are the same color as the wall, and the minister said they were ordered that color from Bose. The system fills the huge cathedreal with beautiful sound, but strangely, with all those hard surfaces, marble floors, wooden walls, etc.., there is no echo through the sound system. Ironically, if you clap your hands the sound reverberates like a ping-pong ball.

Cheers,

Gary

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