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#245893 - 10/23/08 08:33 PM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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Diki .. When I owned the T2 I had a MFC10 and it worked great! The price was not an issue with me! Just making a comparison that you can accomplish the same "Function" for less $$ with the EC5.
For me $$ is not an issue when I want something, with in reason of course

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#245894 - 10/23/08 09:12 PM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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I put one on a plane Jane pedal. At first you fell rushed but then you realize you just hit the button and it will wait for you.

It takes some getting used to but after awhile it becomes second nature like control wheels and ribbon sliders when they first came out.

If you are sequencing you can add those later as well as with the PA2x.

The keyboard will do it automatically for you as well.



[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 10-23-2008).]
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#245895 - 10/23/08 11:20 PM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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Well the Korg has only five things you can assign. The Yamaha, ten (plus whatever the pedal does), plus there are MORE switch inputs on it and breath controllers, whatever.

Now, for me, first and foremost I've got to have the four variations on the pedal (with Auto fill ON)... so with the Korg, that leaves ONE... And that one is needed for a boatload of functions..

How about Leslie fast/slow?
How about On bass on/off?
Haw about the break/fill?
How about the Piano/Standard mode?

To many choices for one pedal...

Heck even my FC-7 only has seven. I wish I could hook up two or three of them!

That FC10 is a hell of a good thing...
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#245896 - 10/24/08 12:05 AM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Well the Korg has only five things you can assign. The Yamaha, ten (plus whatever the pedal does), plus there are MORE switch inputs on it and breath controllers, whatever.

Now, for me, first and foremost I've got to have the four variations on the pedal (with Auto fill ON)... so with the Korg, that leaves ONE... And that one is needed for a boatload of functions..

How about Leslie fast/slow?
How about On bass on/off?
Haw about the break/fill?
How about the Piano/Standard mode?

To many choices for one pedal...

Heck even my FC-7 only has seven. I wish I could hook up two or three of them!

That FC10 is a hell of a good thing...


Thats true if you cannot add the controllers one wants later in the sequence on the PC.
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#245897 - 10/24/08 12:17 PM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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Diki what you say is true. I have used foot conrrollers for years, in fact made my own for the Roland! Had the 13 sw pedal for the SD1. For me the switches are all too close togther. In fact on the MFC10 if you hit the 10X button by mistake .. your screwed!
Maybe it's just me but with the PA2x I have finally made up my mind to use other methods to trigger things. Now I use the velocity to trigger the Break/fill and it works great (saves a switch on the FC5) Set Sw 1 for Fill 1 and Sw2 for Fill 2. Sw 3 for the Harmonizer. Use the Joystick for Leslie slow fast. I am saving sw 4 and 5 for Articulation control when OS2 is released. Also I have set it up so Fill 1 advances to variation 2 Fill 2 will advance to variation 3 fill 1 will take me back to Variation 2. It may sound strange to some but it works for me. I like the Yamaha method the best... fill to variation but that is the only plus in my book and not enough for me to give up the PA2x.

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#245898 - 10/24/08 11:39 PM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kingfrog:
Thats true if you cannot add the controllers one wants later in the sequence on the PC.



That's true if you can't actually PLAY the tune, and have to sequence it entirely!

But all of those assignments are things that someone who actually plays might really need, were they to play the arranger...
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#245899 - 10/24/08 11:58 PM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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Originally posted by Diki:
That's true if you can't actually PLAY the tune, and have to sequence it entirely!

But all of those assignments are things that someone who actually plays might really need, were they to play the arranger...


Yeah if you are going to play live and need all those control changes immediately you will indeed have some busy feet. I don't play live so for me it's easier to add some of them as controller events later exactly where I want them while correcting the rest of my flubs. Unlike yourself I do make mistakes and occasional clams.
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#245900 - 10/25/08 12:22 AM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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Originally posted by Kingfrog:
Unlike yourself I do make mistakes and occasional clams.



Hate to disillusion you, but I make them all the time. Everybody does. I just don't make making them an excuse to NOT play at full speed. If I find myself making the same mistake twice, THAT'S when I try to work on that skill or passage.

Pushing yourself is how you grow.
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#245901 - 10/25/08 04:29 AM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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I'd like to know if your playing how your foot hits the right buttons on a FC10 if you can't see them below you?

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-25-2008).]

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#245902 - 10/25/08 05:09 AM Re: Tyros 3 -Super Art. Control Buttons?
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Originally posted by Dnj:
I'd like to know if your playing how your foot hits the right buttons on a FC10 if you can't see them below you?

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-25-2008).]


If you've used bass pedals at any point in your playing career, then you would know that you don't need to look down after you've used them for a while.

Same for the buttons.

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