Tommy ... AMEN!!
I agree with you 100%!! Let us put this to bed!!!

NEXT!!!!!!!

I was working on my Christmas music until 3am. On my new PA2X, I tried everything I could do to make these fills glitch, hitting them on the 1st, 4th, odd beats, etc and they are as smooth as silk. What can I say? And Ad, I surely would know when there are glitches. I try to perfect my arrangements and would not stand for any hiccups.

I do believe machines seem to be a tad different. I appears my 2x is a better than my 800.

Maybe I'll get both boards in the house and try them side by side.

For those trying to reproduce the 'glitch'.
Let me represent a measure with letters where the down-beat (where you hear the kick drum) is on A, B, C and D for a 4/4 style).


A 2 3 4 B 2 3 4 C 2 3 4 D 2 3 4


If you press the fill/break on A, B C or D, you get no glitch (Good).

If you press the fill/break on "3". you get no glitch as it actually starts on 4 (Good).

If you press the fill/break on "4", you get no glitch (Good).

However, when you press the fill on "2" regardless of the measure, this is where you hear the extra "Chord" coming in as if someone actually played a short chord right at this moment (hear demos shown above).

Hope this is a better whay to explain how to 'create' the error.

Thanks,

AJ

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TommyF,
Yes what you say I agree on also...

BUT...Here we have a known issue, reproduceable, a problem for some of us that have a PA and have even gone pretty far as to diagnosing that it is guitar mode styles (mostly) that cause the real irritating problem...WHY WOULD WE DROP IT???
NO, WE WILL NOT DROP IT UNTILL KORG FIXES IT.

I think it is a simple matter of getting their attention on it...they are very smart folks and will fix it easily.

As far as more fills...maybe PA3XPRO...not enoght buttons on the current model to add any fills (unless they decided to do auto fill like Yamaha, that would be pretty nice too.

Lee

How could AJ hear this on 2 & no one else does?

What do you mean no one else does...lots can hear it...me included.

Rikki, as you know is well respected for her knowledge of styles and making them...she hears it, and has along with Rob Sherratt come up with a theory of guitar tracks styles causing it,,,should be (may already have in OS2) easily fixed.

Lee

I agree, and with all the noise we have made both here and on the Korg forums I am quite sure that Korg can't ignore the fill+guitar mode bug. However, I still hope it has been fixed already in OS 2.0.

Kind regards,
Tommy

[This message has been edited by TommyF (edited 11-13-2008).]

+1..

This is an issue that dates back at least to the early days of the PA80. It was and still to this day is the only issue I ever really had with the board. It's apparently never been fixed, although I will tell you that reworking my styles and adjusting the fills has helped, but not completely cured the problem. I've done this with most of the styles that I regularly would use, I've had the board almost 8 years now.

That said, Korg has known of this issue for all those years, simce we were discussing it in 2001 back on the Irish Acts forum, where at least 2 korg reps that I can think of frequented the forum back then.

I love the sound of the Korg styles, but quite frankly, the fill issues were never solved, and it was a major factor in why I instead "settled" for the Tyros 2 when I made my last arranger purchase.

AJ

According to Rob there were issues in the 'old' days (Pa50 etc.)with styles and smoothness. Korg reworked many styles and basically solved a good portion of this in PA1 V3.01. I personally think that the guitar mode styles are the ones we are really complainming about.

Because of only 3 fills, yes that may not be ideal. But MANY styles I play on PA2 are fine and sound great! and fills too!

So, if this guitar mode styles issue is not fixed in OS2, (we hope they did) we will continue to pressure Korg to fix it as soon as they can.

Meanwhile maybe future OS might include 4 (or 8) more fills? Auto fills between variations would really be nice.

For me anyways if they get the problem fixed with styles using gutar mode...it will be very acceptable.

Lee

Team,

I just got done a 20 mins. presentation/demo with Bobby Nelson (Korg Product Specialist - USA) and conference call with one of the main Engineers at Korg Italy Spa. (he didn't want to be named).

"They are still trying to resolve this issue" is all I can say for now ... at least it had been recognized as a "Fill in/Break Quantize" problem, independent of guitar mode (as it was noticeable in the first PA arrangers).

I think if I can get some of these issues directly to the Engineers (I only know those at Ketron, Korg and Yamaha for now), we can get a lot done as a team ... again it's all about perfecting what's already out there!

Thanks,

AJ

[This message has been edited by Ketron_AJ (edited 11-13-2008).]