Hi all,
I'm very impressed with Peter Bartman's demo and other MP3 demos of Tyros3.The sound is great but when i tried Tyros3 on Tyros speakers at the Yamaha showroom,the sound is just like ordinary keyboard sound not like studio sound what i heard in the Peter Bartman's demo.
Is there any difference between live and studio sound?Is it necessary to use better speaker system to get studio quality sound during live performance?

Thanks,
Sunny

Sunny

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[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-28-2008).]

I'll say what I wrote under another topic. In my opinion I think it's just wrong for factory sponsored demos (either video or audio) to be recorded using the demoers personal settings. That's VERY misleading. Potential buyers should be able to hear the factory sounds as they are..., and not the tweeked settings of the guy/gal doing the demo.

If they want to use their own personal settings.. IT SHOULD BE NOTED..., so that the buyer can at least be made aware that the particular vid or audio demo they downloaded is using personal settings.

If the person doing the demo want's to use their own custom tweeks.., they should also include a parameter list of their tweeks (if they don't want to share.., then don't use them for promotional purposes because it's deceptive advertising)



[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 11-28-2008).]

Man, if we aren't complaining that the Media Station demos are too awful, we're opining that the Yamaha demos are too good! Peter can't help it that someone else can't make a Tyros do what he can. What's he gonna do? Make a sucky demo so that it will sound like how you play it? ("you" in a plural, nonspecific sense)

[This message has been edited by FAEbGBD (edited 11-28-2008).]

It has nothing to do with making a sucky demo. Is it asking too much of a company who is known for producing keyboards with good sounds to at least use the factory patches in a COMPANY DEMO???

People want to hear the Tyros 3..., not the sound of the Tyros 3 the way the demoer thinks it should sound. If you're showing a keyboard..., show the bloody thing.., not your version of it.

If I listen to a demo I want to hear THE KEYBOARD as it's supposed to sound programed by the company. Personally I could give two craps about the demoer's idea of how it should sound..., Peopole may not be buying a keyboard to sound like him... Why should anyone have to hear the demoers version of a patch..??? We may have differing opinions on how it should sound, but because he used his own rather than the facoty patch..., the person interested isn't given the option to hear the REAL patch itself to make a judgement...

Also..., if the keyboard sounds so great.., then why is it tweeked for the demo to begin with????? Are you implying the demoer has to tweek it as the factory sounds would produce a sucky demo...?

Look at it like this..., if the demoer has to tweek the sound of company sponsored demo for a keyboard and use their own settings..., what's that saying about the keyboard? I have a hard time accepting the Tyros 3 sounds terrible out of the box as Yamaha does a very good job at finishing those voices prior to mass productions.

If the demoer can't produce a good demo using the factory sounds..., is the problem the keyboard or the person playing it?

I have no problem with these demo specialists using personal settings, BUT if it's a company demo to showcase the instrument..., then potential buyers need to HEAR THE REAL instrument..., and not the specialists idea of how it should sound. You can't blame intereted customers for getting pissed off who watched a company sponsored demo not knowing that the material was altered to the personal specifications of the product specialists.



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[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-28-2008).]

If you were using the matching Yamaha speaker system for the Tyros then that is why it sounded crap, this Yamaha speaker system has always made every Tyros sound crap, and who ever let these speakers get out to market should have got a serious reprimand a long time ago.
Use a quality speaker system and you will hear the Tyros 3 sing.
Hope this helps

Bill

I'll agree with you there Bill....at least with the new Tyros 3 they should have desgned a totaly new better quality home speaker system then previous....but then again Yamaha has the StagePas series which would work great with the Tryos 3 & others.
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/products/pa_systems/stagepas300/index.html

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-28-2008).]

Many people who demo them in the store with the "Tyros" Speakers" hear what they hear. Either they like or they don't. We have a PAS set up and a Bose set up and run the PSRs and the Tyros through all of them if asked. One think I won't do is run the PSR or Tyros through anything but what it has UNLESS I am asked to switch the outputs. I don;t want them thinking what they are going to hear at home ia any different from what they are going to buy.

We can show them how to make the sound punchier or less so if they want. Now that we have the Korg its an easy comparison between the two. Hispanics prefer the Korgs....IM guessing its the Cumbia Style.

If you don't listen to the Yamaha demos on a pair of Tyros speakers, why on earth would you EXPECT them to sound the same...?

Play the T3 through the same system you listened to the demo on... and take the mastering into account. Every single thing you hear on the web, on the radio, on a CD (other than some user produced demos here and there) has been run through an EQ, a compressor and a limiter. And, I'm sorry, but the ones included in your arranger's Master Output section are TERRIBLE compared to even quite inexpensive software tools, yet alone more high-end gear.

These will impart a sheen, especially when used by those that know what they are doing, that you can't necessarily emulate live... Nor should you. There's too much compression on your stuff already, probably. Take it all off, and the darn things might actually sound LIVE for a change!

You will certainly have a better idea of whether the style and keyboard section is balanced to start off, which will ALWAYS make for an easier track to master when you finally DO get around to that (if you are recording yourself).

I'm sorry, but expecting ANYONE to post unmastered audio these days of anything at all is just not realistic. Otherwise you'll be constantly turning your computer's (or home stereo's) volume knob up and down like a madman as you go from mastered to unmastered material.

Mastering is an essential part of the audio chain these days. Neglect it at your peril!