Some of you call for "OOTB" demoing, so everyone knows what they are going to buy, and how will it sound in your hands. I disagree.

I have never ever encountered an advertisement where the product is EXACTLY what I am going to get. All ads show products at their "best", resorting in any manner of TRICKS to manage that. Did you know or even imagined that professional food stylists use HAIRSPRAY on spaghetti (after they use ordinary combs to comb it while in the plate, believe it or not), to make it look more shiny and less boring, less ordinary?

At least with the Tyros or any arranger, there is a possibility to actually make it sound like the demo, because the sounds and the effects and everything are all there... unless they used another instrument's sample, or hairspray, which I doubt. Query Peter Baartmans, or Voncken, and try to find out what they do. I remember Voncken had posted some setting he used on PSR 9000 on his website.

In addition to that, if Baartmans put out an OOTB demo, it would sound like OOTB, like everyone else, and soon his children would have to do without the Yamaha paycheck. Those guys are paid to make an instrument sound good for the customers, and that is what they do.

Now for the real joke...
There are probably some guitar ads out there, with Eric Clapton's signature. Now tell me, have you seen any guitar ads with MY name on them?. No, you haven't and you will never see one, because I can't play the guitar, can't make it sound like Eric does. And of course no buyer will want to associate himself with me, hence Eric Clapton is the preferred choice. So better look around on how to make yourself sound like Clapton, instead of asking Yamaha to pay ME to demo an arranger OOTB.

Now, look at that video and then tell me if it is false advertising or not. I also have a Hyundai, should I sue them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV29FnEBx4o

I would be more concerned about
HOW YOU PLAY....vs... HOW IT SOUNDS.

Dnj,
What is youre problem with Yamaha and the players ?

Thanks for destroing a friendly forum .
I come here since '96 ,now i am sick of al this Bu****it.

Impuls.

I don't agree...I think Donny is a great contributor to this forum.

He always keeps things interesting and entertaining.

Ian

BS is what makes the world go around... everything is not hunky dory all the time...Yammy, korg, roland, gem, ketron whats the difference?....get it out in the open honestly so we can discuss it... if you cant take honest critism on any one of these products maybe a yamaha only forum is where you should be spending your time where everyone has blinders on.

btw.... Have a wonderful Holiday Season I know I will.

Would these Yamaha forums be the same ones on which you were seeking help when you had your Tyros, 3k and S900?

Many of their members read SZ...do you think should try being nicer in case you need help again?

Same goes for Roland forums.

One should be careful not to burn bridges.

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 11-29-2008).]

Hmmmm....
I think we can compare the different taste regarding sound streaming into
our ears as we have different opinion when we smell or taste food.

No matter who or how played, we'll experience this in a very personal way.
Either we like what we hear, or we don't.
Lucky us that we can adjust a lot by use of EQ and effects and choose between
different PA equipment to make it sund just as we like.

I find this topic similiar as when discuss religion. We can carry on discuss
it forever, but we should agree on that we won't nessesary have to come to
any common conclusion about whats the right or wrong.
Guess that's why we witness countless conflicts and wars, never ending story....

All that said, I agree that the factory demos should mirror the keyboards as
it is out of the box, and then maybe make a more in depth demo where some of
the possibilites and settings for personal satisfaction could be displyed.

Happy Playing & Listening
GJ

This in no way is a reply to you Ian because we dont speak anymore remember?...
but in general with the utmost respect for Nigel....when people discuss with an open mind its enjoyable....when people on almost every topic just continually boast how great something is, never post a dam thing anywhere for reference, and glee at others confusion, I would say that is ridiculous also. I post anywhere I like & have many friends worldwide. With the atmosphere on most forums 99% of my dealings & help given or received is via private means only. Try it sometime maybe I'll talk to you also if Im in a good mood. Get off your high horse once in a while you need to touch the ground....I dont know who your trying to impress?....certainly not me by any means.
I know this will be retaliated with one of your snippy replies but thats the norm eh?.

Have a Wonderful Holiday

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-29-2008).]

Nothing snippy, Donny, but you rarely take other people's (including your friend's) advice seriously, so I'm not surprised at your reply.

Ian

Great then we're done here...

Carry on