I am on the look out for a good Module to add to my kn5000. Well, I have considered the Korg Triton Rack, but also the XV3080, and the reason for this, is that the roland is a bit cheaper. However, the Triton offers 5 insert effects, and 2 master - as well as EQ. how does the JV3080 measure up to these?. And is there really only "3" effects on the XV3080? (like Chorus, Reverb, and MFX), becuase if this is so, then 128 notes of poly aren't much use if you can only use 3 effects for ALL of them!. Surely there must be something i have missed here..like a Master Reverb maybe? - as well as the 3 effects? - anyway, I will still be favouring the Triton unless the XV3080 (or any XV/JV model for that matter) can offer more than 3 Simultaneous effects to go along with the 128 nores some high end Rolands have to offer.

By Way of example, I want a Rotary organ on Track one, with reverb, on Track two, I want Bass with Delay...well - thats seems the limit to me if there are only 3 effects. Just wish there was more

Cheers


[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited 10-31-2001).]

In a way you're correct and in a way you're not. Yes, there are only 3 simultaneous effects. But, you can have any amount of those effects on each track. So, if you have reverb on your organ, that doesn't stop you from having reverb on any of the other tracks. You can have any amount of rotary, reverb, and chorus on each track. Plus, you can switch fx throughout the sequence. So if you don't use the rotary organ all the way through the song, you can throw a distortion in during the guitar solo, then move back to rotary when the organ reappears.

I might be mistaken, but I think the JV2080 has more than 3 fx.

It's up to you of course, but I find better quality sounds to be more important than thousands of fx. Also, with clever patch editing you can create some cool fx. I have achieved some pretty convincing chorus, delay, wah, fx by editing patches. This of course is more taxing than just selecting an effect and playing.
In short, you don't get a lot of simultaneous fx with Roland, but there are ways to work within the limits. If you do a lot of ambient stuff, you might prefer the Korg. Again, check on the JV2080, because I think that has more simultaneous fx.

yes
FAEbGBD,
The XV2080 MAY have more than 3 effects, as described by the Review below (extract from SOS)

Qoute:
"Other areas where the JV2080 improves on the JV1080 include number of Patches (the 2080 has 768 to the 1080's 640, including 128 User Patches), drum kits (12 up from 10, with two user kits) and effects. The basic reverb and chorus 'system' effects are joined by no less than three 'insertion' multi-effects (called EFX by Roland) in Performance mode (the JV1080 has just one insert effect). This means that, apart from the main system effects, there are three extra effect units, chosen from a collection of 40 effect types, that can be used independently in a Performance. Note that Patches can only use a single EFX in addition to chorus and reverb.End Quote

The Whole Article:
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/1997_articles/apr97/rolandjv2000.html



[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited 10-31-2001).]

BTW FAEbGBD,

does this configuration of Chorus Reverb & THREE EFFECTS apply to any other JV/XV modle by Roland?. It seems rather odd that i would have to buy "Backwards" Technology (so to speak) to obtain more effects!.

BTW FAEbGBD, is this "Change over" from one effect to another in sequencer mode a fairly straight forward procedure? - or would I require an in-depth knowledge of Sysex/Midi etc? (I only wanna make some nice tunes ya know


NR


[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited 10-31-2001).]

I don't think any other module applies as many effects. For some reason the 2080 stood out to me, and I'm thinking that's the only one, but I wouldn't swear to it. secondly, I have no idea how hard it would be to switch FX. I suppose it depends on your controller and sequencer. I use the Roland XP-80, which is its own keyboard and sequencer. On this it is very easy; I don't know how easy it is using other controllers and sequencers to run the module.

XV5080: "There are a total of four different effect sections or types in the XV: reverb, chorus, multi, and EQ. This last one is available per output, while the other three effect types are available at the patch and performance levels. Both patches and performances are given one reverb and chorus block each. One multi-effects processor is available per patch, but up to THREE can be used in parallel within a performance."

"is this "Change over" from one effect to another in sequencer mode a fairly straight forward procedure?"

If you're just pressing buttons on the front panel as your song plays, then it's, well, just that easy.

If you want to do it automatically in a song, you have to use one sysex message.

If the XV5080 has a Transmit Edit function (I assume it does; I think the XP2080 has it, too), that function will generate the sysex message for you.

Hi

Just a comment to using the to change the effect-settings.

First, it WILL require sysex. This is the only way to change the effect "on-the-fly". It is possible that you can record this by configuring the JV2080 to "transmit edit", and then pressing the buttons on the panel.

I see Nimrod uses an KN5000. I guess you want to use the sequencer in this. Does it support sysex? Not all sequencers do...

One more problem is that changing settings in the effects-section creates noise! Try to adjust settings in the effects while playing and you will know what I mean.. Not to be recommended. The only settings that are noiseless, are the ones that can be assigned to a controller..

So, changing the effects in the middle of a song may not be a good idea. I haven't done this, but maybe someone has?

Stig

I have done it very rarely; it can work if done carefully timed. I can only get away with it if there is a space where I don't need one of the multi-fx. If there is a bar where I can just use reverb and chorus, I can sometimes get away with changing an effect.