What do you think

http://www.wersiclub.co.uk/therhythmdesigner.html

Bill

[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 01-06-2009).]

At the price you guys pay for these things.., anytime I see the phrase "available for purchase" assoociated with any Wersi upgrade that's software related..., it makes me shiver a little.

Is this latest upgrade soley software related? I see that it requires you to obtain two other things before you can even use it. Were those free upgrades or again at a cost to Wersi owners.???

I also wasn't in the least impressed by the demos either. My question is..., what's on showcase..., the new features or the person playing????


[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 01-06-2009).]

I must be missing something?

These latest Abacus demos sound even worse than the last sub-E20-circa-1988 ones we heard.

Seamaster I'm so glad you didn't really say what you felt

Maybe he just said what he heard...?

Bill, one of these days, instead of asking US, you REALLY need to let us know what you think about all this stuff that YOU post.

For instance, what is YOUR take on this? Does this in ANY way impress you at all? Most of the time, you stick this stuff up and it gets shot down, but you never let us know whether you put it up in horror or as a proud owner!

"What do you think" should be a question that YOU answer as well. If you think it sucks, man up and let us know

If you don't think it sucks... (no, you couldn't possibly think that, could you? )

If you read my reviews of OAS 7 both on this forum, and others, (Most folks on this site seem to go straight to the links rather then read whats been posted, which is the reason why I seldom bother explaining anything these days) you will already know what I think of OAS 7.

Regards

Bill

BTW; Keep the comments coming
Bill

With all do respect Bill you explained NOTHING with this post... You simply asked 'what do WE think". Well..., what do YOU think Bill? You're the one who has the Wersi. Do you have all the previous upgrades needed to even use this? If not do you think it's worth it? You keep asking what WE think and you're the one who owns the Wersi. How many Wersi owners are on this forum compared to Yammie, Roland, and Korg owners???

What do YOU think of this latest upgrade Bill?



[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 01-06-2009).]

To be honest, Bill, after listening to quite a lot of some utterly dreadful audio you have posted, I'm actually FAR more interested in what YOU think about these so-called 'upgrades' than actually listening to them

And I am amazed... considering the enormous amount of money you payed for the Abacus in the first place, what POSSIBLE reason could you (or any Wersi owner) have for NOT having all the latest updates, hardware and sounds?

Heaven forbid they are too expensive! You've been telling us forever how great these Wersi's are. But you don't have the latest OS and sounds? Doesn't sound THAT great to me (or you, or you would have all this stuff by now, eh?)...

Look, I'm sorry, but I would honestly EXPECT to get derided were I to come here, post that I thought some ten year old Casio W series arranger was the 'best thing ever' and post their dreadful demos as 'proof'! Why don't you ask YOURSELF if you think something from Wersi is dreadful BEFORE you post it? It would save you an awful lot of typing!

And if you DO think it sounds dreadful, why not post asking whether we think it is dreadful TOO? Because your generally uncritical take on all things Wersi naturally leads most of us here to think that you are proudly posting these abominations as if you DO think they are great...

And I would hate to think that of you if you DIDN'T

I think it's time Wersis were repositioned as entry level budget instruments. They're obviously just thrown together using generic components and shareware software so they should easily find a natural price point at which they can still find punters despite sounding like twenty year old Casiotones.

Check SZ and you will find my review of OAS 7 (The latest OS and which I own), as well as other posts that relate to it.
If you can’t be bothered to read them, then I am not got going to waste energy typing an explanation that is going to be ignored.

I have also posted links to various sites where I have posted stuff about OAS 7 which have also been ignored, so give me one good reason why I should write an explanation that everyone is going to ignore anyway.

The ball is in your court, try hitting it back once in a while.

Regards

Bill

You ever think Bill that maybe some people didn't have a chance to even read those posts or maybe missed them? You expect them to sift through hundreds of your posts looking for that one or two posts?

Trust us, you can hear all the hitting going on... Little fielding, though

But where is your review of what you just posted? Isn't this something new? I'm sorry, but just as you don't probably know the minutiae of every G70 OS update, you can assume that most of us don't follow the Wersi saga any more carefully.

If I want to point out something new or recent on a G70, I don't expect everyone to go out and do a bunch of research just to understand a cryptic one line post. I make it easy for them, and actually TALK about the subject. Education by URL is a very lazy way to communicate, Bill.

This remains the General Arranger DISCUSSION forum, not simply a repository for URL's...

What do you think?

Give me one good reason why I should give a damn about anything you post about Wersi's if you are going to be so cantankerous?

(sound of the ball hit over the fence!)

Squeak

If I get no response I either post it again later, or refer to it in other threads.

In addition if you and few others look at the questions you have asked in other posts I have made, then you will find in most cases they were answered in the first post of the thread. (Which would seem to indicate that you and others cant be bothered to take the time to read them properly)

As I said, the ball is in your court

Bill

BTW; This is not the first time I have posted about the Rhythm Designer Software

[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 01-06-2009).]

Bill what you don't seem to get is you constantly keep posting things about Wersi, but rarely offer your opinion about the topic you just freakin posted.., you then go on and on about how we should have read your review about this that and so on. Realize it or not Bill many of us have read your reviews. When you post a topic why don't YOU try telling us what you think about the topic YOU JUST FREAKIN POSTED.., instead of always telling us to got back and read this and that.

Yes Bill this isn't the first time you posted about this... You didn't say what YOU thought about it on that post either.
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/018789.html

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 01-06-2009).]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: these à propos de rien Wersi posts are an elaborate practical joke. It's the only explanation.

The Wersi sounds much better than you think and certainly its not some thrown together system of generic parts and shareware. I've owned many a Casio keyboard and never once have I heard a Casio come remotely close to the sound of my Abacus Duo Pro.

The audio card used to produce the Wersi sounds is the Scope Card by Sonic Core, 24 BIT audio with 32 Bit internal processing. The software used is also the Scope software that has been modified and tailored to the Wersi control surface. Additional sounds are via Native Instruments and other VST's can also be installed should you require a larger sound palette. Listen to the Sonic Core sound demos and that will give you an idea of what the Wersi truly sounds like.

I'll admit, most of the Wersi demos I've seen and heard are atrocious but they certainly aren't representative of the actual instrument. I wonder how many of these people have recorded their demo files since the audio is sub par.

Wersi is expensive but much of what you are paying for are all the real time controls, intelligent GUI, high resolution TFT touch screen, and the overall build quality (its a tank). Should Wersi lower their prices? Absolutely! Given that much of the hardware itself is quite expensive even if Wersi did lower their retail price it would still be much more than other TOTL arrangers. If you want build quality, a great keybed, expandability, and ease of use, you're going to have to pay for it.

All demos and lack of user examples to the contrary...

It's just like the MS. All it's users SAY it sounds great. Just no-one (other than a few European pros who are sponsored by the company) apparently can manage to do it for themselves...

Don't TELL me how great it is.

SHOW ME...

I'd say "put up or shut up", (with all due respect) but the time to do that was way back when exactly the same apologia for Wersi's sonic shortcomings were being peddled last year.

Hi Diki

Virtually all the artists you see playing Wersi are freelance, and so you also see them playing other manufactures instruments, however most of them choose Wersi for their personal use, as they find it gives them most of what they need.

Seamaster

Grow up; your playground responses are starting to get ridicules.

Ensnareyou

As you are a Wersi owner you have probably read all my posts and reviews of OAS 7 on the various forums, and yet in spite of the talk, you have not posted any evidence that contradicts them.
Why

To give you something to go at, demonstrate to me how the Drums 2007 option is worth €150, as to me, like I have said in all the reviews, they are a complete total load of crap.

Rhythm Designer Software

I have not heard or tried it live, and so cannot make any comments on its quality or usefulness, (Unlike some on this site, I do not judge a book by its cover) however from what I have read it should have really good potential.

Regards

Bill

See...?

How hard would that have been to type when you first posted this topic?

You're not a professor, and we aren't students. You want to have a discussion with us, this is the way to go. You want to post some URL's for homework and study, go find yourself some students...

Bill if you have not heard or tried it live yet..., then why are you even asking our opinions? Why post something.., asking for our opinions (knowing the number of Wersi users here is so small) then not offering up your own judgements being a Wersi owner yourself...??

We gave you our opinions... It seems to me that you don't like to hear negative things about the Wersi..., yet you keep posting all these extremely mediocre demos for us to listen to. Why they hell cant we hear what one's supposed to sound like TODAY instead of all these cheesy 80's flashbacks we're getting???? I'm VERY confident the Wersi is capable of putting out a great demo.., problem is no one seems to be putting them out there.



[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 01-07-2009).]

Bill,

I don't read every post as I just drop into Synthzone now and then and I don't go on other Wersi forums. I agree with you 100%. The Drums 2007 are nice but they should have been included in OAS 7 for free. I see no reason why Wersi is charging for them. I'll bet in OAS 8 they come as standard. I mostly use AKAI samples or load my own samples into the Abacus so if Wersi wants me to pony up the dough for sounds, that's not likely to happen.

The Rhythm Designer probably does exactly what it's supposed to so I have no reason to believe otherwise. The only point of contention I'd have is if it costs money it had better not be fairly inexpensive. I quite like using older Roland TB and TR style sequence programming so if the Rhythm Designer allows me to simply do that, great!

Hang on Bill, surely nothing could be as "ridicules" [sic] as your inexplicable posts and these head-scratching demos-that-time-forgot?

[This message has been edited by Seamaster (edited 01-08-2009).]