I just got back from delivering DNJ to catch his flight in Dallas. Now for an hour nap and back to work as usual.
I had a GREAT time.
Tom,
You'll love the Audya!

Dikki, I use all the basic chords and 6ths, 9ths, dim, aug, etc. I don't use any more complex, at least on purpose. Sorry I didn't understand the full nature of your question, but I'll have one soon enough and I'll try again for you.
DonM

Thanks, Don.

Tom..... Look, I've got reservations... It doesn't mean that the product is BAD! It just means I've got reservations. I've got those about the G70. Didn't stop me from getting one.

But I feel that if we discuss the issues (and what the hell else are we here for? Hat advice from Donny? ), perhaps a manufacturer might realize they exist... and do something about it. My feeling is that 'live loop' technology comes along JUST as we are starting to get VERY good MIDI production of guitar playing.

Mega Voice emulation, especially with the T3's new guitar specific NTT's, and Korg's Guitar Mode is very good. Is it as good as a loop? No. Of course not. UNTIL you want to change it. Whereupon, with the loop, you are screwed. Drum emulation is getting extraordinarily good with multi-velocity drum samples with variable room samples, and patterns played on electronic drum kits by REAL drummers, using those samples. Is it as good as a loop? No, it is not... UNTIL you want to change anything. Whereupon, with the loop, you are screwed.

These are reservations... It doesn't preclude me using an Audya (bought my lottery ticket today!), but it's a worthy (IMHO) topic of discussion on an arranger players forum. You may think differently. Let's NOT discuss anything to do with this...

Starting with you

Unless I am missing something here AJ answered the question directly. He started his answer talking about the audio part and not the midi. He also stated that the audio loops can play extentions. "when you play (e.g an A chord), all extentions/variations of the A chord - (dim, 9th, Maj, Min, Min7th, AUG ... etc) are recognized by the AUDIO and MIDI". So am I reading it wrong?

So...will it play an Amin/maj7th, or an A7b9...or an A6add9?

What about bass inversions or do the audio tracks always play the root...or leave it out?

You wanted us to ask.

Ian the Curious

He stated what would be RECOGNIZED... not what would actually play.

Look, it's simple. Each style needs three audio loops to cover the three different tempo ranges they cover. Then they need 12 different versions of each tempo range for all twelve keys (unless there is some realtime pitch transposing, which hasn't been mentioned), then they need at least the major chord types (maj, min. dim, sus4 and aug). Now that is 180 loops.

But add in 7ths, maj7ths, 6ths, 6/9's, dim6ths, half dims, 7b10 (or #9's if you prefer!), sus4's, and so on and so forth, and you are talking a MASSIVE amount of loops that need to be loaded up for each style, or if they stream in realtime (hard to imagine this without at least preloading the first part of the loop), at least a MASSIVE number of different loops that need to be recorded (and this is going to effect cost and availability).

And this is just for ONE variation... multiply it by four if the audio part changes between variations (one would hope this!), and you start to see the problem...

If simple basic chords are all you need or expect from the guitar part, this should not be a problem. But when Yamaha and Korg manage quite complex guitar playing very realistically and yet STILL don't restrict your chord choices, at least to me it seems obvious which is the technology of the future and the present.

Loops provide a great shortcut to sonic bliss on the guitar part, but it comes at a price. What that price is, I have yet to be informed. But put it this way... I certainly NEVER get a 'you REALLY don't need me to play that chord' comment from any REAL guitarist when asked to play a Min(maj7) chord.

the way i see it is that most people don't know how to play those complex chords so they don't care if the AUDYA plays them or not....

BUT, Diki asks some VERY valid and SIMPLE questions, for which have NOT YET been answered...

DOES or DOESN'T the AUDYA play ALL Chords and ALL variations of the Chord (via AUDIO)?

Diki wants to know which chords the AUDIO handles and which chords the midi handles...

And i too am interested in knowing...

What are the AUDYA's chord limitations (with audio loops)?


AJ? can you answer?
inquiring minds want to know...

no more "beating around the bush"...

This great Jam wasn't only about the Audya far from it. maybe a new Audya thread is in order. Or new jam post.

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Diki,

I didn't say I couldn't hear the difference, what I said was it is barely noticable for the fleeting second or two the chord is played. Start the arranger, solo the acc part on the g70, start a style, play C,E,G,A. Now add the "D" to the chord, big difference huh? Now add back in drums, bass and the rest and tell me how big a deal it is to add the 9th.

Yes I have played that progression but as a moving progression never with a C,Eb,G,B all held down at the same time. The second Dm progression in "After The Loving" does exactly what you were saying.

Diki, we just disagree on this one and it's time to put it behind us and move on and make music.

Tom

"He stated what would be RECOGNIZED... not what would actually play."
actually, if an audio track recognizes a cord type that would mean that it plays it unless again I am missing something. One of the questions to ask is if The audio tracks are just playing the 1 and 5 of the chord so extentions on the audio track may not be relevant as it relates to the over all sound of the style.

Dikki,

Sorry for the mis-interpretation. When I wrote 'recognized', I ment both - recognized and played - no use to an end-user if an Arranger recognizes chords but can't play them.

AUDYA will recognize AND PLAY ALL chord types meaning all variations of the following chords:-
A, B, C, D, E, F, G.

This is a huge data base of AUDIO which is streemed from the Hard Drive in real time.

Hope this clears this up, and sorry for getting to you later - I've been rather occupied lately.

AJ