Diki,

When I play G B E in my left hand the G70 plays Emin not Cmaj7, so you see it doesn't work either.

As far as the Sd-1 (I still have mine) goes, some audio loops are better than none. How many on our G70s?

I'm not listening to all the hype. I don't listen to it regardless of the brand. I'm going on Ketron's track record of producing some really fine arrangers.

Again all your criticism is based speculation. Let's see what comes out of the Shreveport jam.

Tom

What do you play if you want a first inversion Em chord?

I don't use those rootless jazz voicings, because they force you into HAVING to play very specific voicing for for specific chords. I tend to want (because my LH is actuall playing a sound) to have the freedom to voice a chord any way I feel like at the time.

So, my G70 won't give me a Cmaj7 for GBE.... yours won't give you an Em/G. Six of one, half a dozen for the other...

And, like I (and others) have pointed out, the real loop styles are SO much better than the rest.. do you really want just a FEW of what you use to sound amazing, and then you are going to be happy with the rest? Oh that's right... You ARE used to inconsistent style quality already Me, whether it's a ROM style, or an imported style or conversion, I want them ALL to sound about the same...

Just like I wouldn't want to be in a band that sucked at some music and was GREAT at others. Not if all those different types of music had to be played.

Now go and beat up on someone else for putting a Yamaha down. Or a Wersi. Or the MS. Or a Korg... No? So it isn't the PRINCIPLE of criticism you object to... it's just YOUR arranger brand that shouldn't be scrutinized, eh?

I only scrutinize what I have gotten my hands on, that's the difference. I don't play an Emin chord in it's first inversion. I have lots of criticisms about the G70, I had some dislikes about the Tyros that I had. The Sd-1 doesn't do everything superbly either.

Criticize whatever brand you want but don't do it off from press releases and gossip on the forum. Try it yourself then give an informed opinion. Your opinion has yet to be backed up by what we logical thinkers call facts.

I'm going to make a guess here. You don't have a Ketron to try so you don't have access to the facts. I'm guessing your next rant will be about the lack of availability.

Tom

Tom, I agree with you. As I've said all along, let's wait until we can see and play the Audya before condemning it, or praising it too lavishly.
I fully expect it to be the best arranger ever made. I can tell you it won't be perfect, and it won't suit every player, but what does?
As usual, I had quit reading this thread when it starting sinking to the bashing-without-reason status, but accidentally opened it again.
One guy already embarrassed himself by ranting for pages about some USB issue of which he was not informed. Why not wait until we have concrete, hands-on information?
I don't know how much AJ will allow us to experiment with the Audya--probably not much--but I will sure try to ask him about the issues raised about uniformity of sound and chord recognition. I expect them to be non-issues, just as the USB thing was.
DonM

LOL!

Has a fixed release date been given for the Audya in USA? Ketron Portugal stated 16th Jan a while back (probably due to it being the NAMM show date) but now European sites are stating between Jan and March 2009, so it looks like it is anyones guess here in the UK.
Ketron UK are not exactly good when it comes to getting info out of them either

The Audya really sounded great last night here at the jam....AJ really went into detatil in his Demo to try to explain all the great features......& also show us what you can achive with this new KB.Plus I recieved a new Ketron T Shirt YIPPPEEE!
More to come for sure......this may be the only KB you ever need

At almost £4000 I hope I don't want another keyboard, otherwise I'll need to take out a bank loan hehe



[This message has been edited by Keyman_UK (edited 01-19-2009).]

Is this one you are considering, Donny?

Well, to be honest, I'm not criticizing the Audya from a hands on perspective, but I'm not praising it from that either...!

Yes, the demos sound great, but I guess the difference here, Tom, is that I'm NOT criticizing the underlying technology from a 'hands off' perspective. I don't know about you, but I have been using audio loops in music production for over ten years. I am already pretty intimate with what can, and can't be done with these things. I am also pretty informed about how easy/hard they are to produce.

So, just as YOU don't need to have 'hands on' with a keyboard that uses MIDI (you are already pretty familiar with what can and can't be done with MIDI), I don't need 'hands on' on the Audya to realize some of the pitfalls of audio loops.

One of the prime ones being... if a loop doesn't exist for a particular chord type, it can't play it. There are no NTT's for loops. They are what they are, and that's all they can ever be.

I've got to PLAY an Audya before I can talk about this?